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Why are you shouting at me?
Is it your view that the UK govt should have remained silent on the issue?
Im not, I’m just making it clear, if I was shouting I’d have put !

;-)

I think we should have condemned what happened and left it at that.

I want us to distance ourselves from Trump and quietly start relationship building with Biden.

Johnson went one further but I’m not upset with what he said, I think he said as much as he can at this stage.
 
You're ok. The BBC are covering for her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55571482

The headline and the article says that she said his words "directly led" to the violence. If you watch the clip she doesn't actually say that. She says his words were "associated with" the violence.

Pathetic from both Patel and the BBC.
You’re letting your anti Tory bias cloud your judgement.

I don’t want the Home Secretary saying a fucking word about one of our allies in a situation like this, it’s not her job.

Leave it to the PM and less so, Foreign Secretary.

The whole Cabinet will have been briefed to let the PM comment and to keep quiet.
 
You're ok. The BBC are covering for her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55571482

The headline and the article says that she said his words "directly led" to the violence. If you watch the clip she doesn't actually say that. She says his words were "associated with" the violence.

Pathetic from both Patel and the BBC.

I suspect if they quoted her like that, then she really did say it.
The clip is 1.40 of a 15 minute segment.
 
How are there less consequences for us speaking out?
The UK is a leading member of NATO.

The UK is in the G7.

The UK is going to attract greater world wide media attention as it’s a bigger, more powerful country.

Just as the US will attract more attention than the UK around the world.
 
You’re letting your anti Tory bias cloud your judgement.

I don’t want the Home Secretary saying a fucking word about one of our allies in a situation like this, it’s not her job.

Leave it to the PM and less so, Foreign Secretary.

The whole Cabinet will have been briefed to let the PM comment and to keep quiet.
I don’t have an anti Tory bias. I think Johnson’s the worst PM in living memory and he’s surrounded himself with the least talented cabinet I can remember. I also think Corbyn was the worst leader of the opposition for a long time. I’m judging them on their individual performances not their party affiliation.
 
Patel is Home Secretary, it’s not her job to criticise other world leaders.
It is if the ethos of collective responsibility still subsists, especially as she is charged with upholding law and order. On that basis, she is perfectly entitled and arguably required to comment on the breakdown of the rule of law within the seat of democracy of such a close ally, aided and abetted, as it was, by its Head of State.


Home Secretary, after PM and possibly Chancellor of the Exchequer, is the highest office in the land. Of course she can comment. To suggest it is beyond her remit to do so is absurd. She’s not a fucking diplomat.
 
That doesn't explain how there are less consequences. If we are so small and weak any problems would hurt us more?
I think you underestimate how powerful the Irish voice is in American politics.
No, I really do not underestimate it.

The UK and US are military allies on the world stage, with actual enemies out there. There are consequences to us not being a united front.

Ireland isn’t a military country and your greatest risk is pissing the Americans off.
 
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