Donald Trump

[KS55]

No, I want Putin rotting in The Hague after a long and very public trial.

Assassinating people like Putin or Trump or Netanyahu only usually acts to make the movement behind them more extreme (and radicalise more people to their cause). Their replacement is most often even worse: just ask yourself who would replace Trump if he was assassinated; hint: their surname rhymes with lance, as in drain a very problematic boil).

See nearly every assassination of a dangerous populist political or terrorist leader that has ever taken place in modern history.

It may have worked in some cases before the era of mass communication, but it doesn’t work now, when people in areas that may not have any direct geopolitical involvement with a cause or conflict can be recruited and radicalised. And there is almost no way to slow or suppress information sharing within these groups.

Political violence almost never achieves its goals, and almost always makes a bad situation worse.

Assassinating Trump now would not only likely hand MAGA the election, it would through the country in to absolute chaos, and that would be bad for everyone.

He needs to lose the election, be rightly found guilty for all of his criminal and treasonous acts, and put in prison.

Will that solve all of the issues America is currently facing or lead to the complete dissolution of MAGA as a movement? No.

But it is the only option that does not make things worse for everyone.

Israel’s current action is the best recruitment tool Hamas has ever had.

 

[Phil1]

what a stupid think to say.

You cant just decide who you don't like and take them out. I'm guessing if it was Trump saying this you would be outraged.
Who decides if you are a really nasty, dangerous person? Is there a test or just Kaz7 said so.

Trump will win the election and he will win because of people like you.

If he did, and he won’t, it’s more because of people like you who refuse to see how much of a deranged **** he is.

 

[SebastianBlue]

The centre of politics in the US is well to the right of our own position. Many Americans believe that anyone to the left of, say Boris, is a socialist.
The best recent example was the debate on Obama care in which it was claimed that the NHS in the UK ran ‘Death Panels’ to decide who lived and who died.
In 1947, the labour gov negotiated a large loan from the US partly to pay for the launch of the NHS. There was a fierce debate in Congress with many claiming: “We should not lend to the UK so it can turn itself into a socialist state.”

Indeed. I was just speaking to the nature and cause of the aversion, which is complex, but there are some main factors, among them deeply engrained American cultural values (which are very often contradicted by actual action, so in many case are merely aspirational rather than functional) and the legacy of the “Red Scare”.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Israel’s current action is the best recruitment tool Hamas has ever had.

Something I have been saying from well before 7 October.

And also something Netanyahu had been actively encouraging since well before 7 October, but that is a discussion for another thread.

Suffice it to say, I also want Netanyahu and many members of the current far-right Israeli government rotting in The Hague, along with Putin and Trump.

 

[Tb1981]

She is without doubt a bit of an empty shell/ media construct, but is still probably a better option than trump.

Is she though?
That's the problem for me, i have no idea whatsoever what she will do to 'turn the page'.

If your best feature is not being Donald Trump then its a very low bar.
You have to convince people to vote for you, not just tell them how bad the other guy is.

Its a sad reflection on how bad politics is over there

 

[SebastianBlue]

Fair points as always , still i wouldnt cry over him

I wouldn’t mourn his death, just like I wouldn’t Putin or Netanyahu (or Hitler’s or Stalin’s, to name but a few terrible humans from history).

But I would mourn the way in which it occurred, because it would bring pain an suffering on so many that don’t deserve it.

 

[KS55]

Is she though?
That's the problem for me, i have no idea whatsoever what she will do to 'turn the page'.

If your best feature is not being Donald Trump then its a very low bar.
You have to convince people to vote for you, not just tell them how bad the other guy is.

Its a sad reflection on how bad politics is over there

She has stated a load of policy positions on the economy, on fiscal policy, on groups she will give a leg up to, on abortion and reproductive rights, on NATO. Did you not notice?

 

[Tb1981]

Resurrected for @Tb1981 who claims to think Trump answers questions.

I also think Trump is likely to win, but that the reason is different to yours; it's simply that people like you, at heart, admire bullies and fascists, and will dream up any excuse about their opponents to justify it.

i would say the best way for Harris to win would be to actually have a plan. And if she has that plan, maybe then let people know what it is.

Don't talk shite that people like me admire bullies and fascists, and will dream up any excuse about their opponents to justify it.
I couldn't really care less if Trump wins or loses.

But after its all over it will become clear that Harris should never have been the Democrat candidate and is an awful choice.

 

[Gabriel]

Is she though?
That's the problem for me, i have no idea whatsoever what she will do to 'turn the page'.

If your best feature is not being Donald Trump then its a very low bar.
You have to convince people to vote for you, not just tell them how bad the other guy is.

Its a sad reflection on how bad politics is over there

Her policies are openly available and accessible, both in the United States and Europe. However, people are generally less interested in policies and more in personality- same as in the U.K., so you often hear media pundits trot out that hackneyed line of Harris needing to do more than defining herself as not Trump.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx924r4d5yno

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

i would say the best way for Harris to win would be to actually have a plan. And if she has that plan, maybe then let people know what it is.

Don't talk shite that people like me admire bullies and fascists, and will dream up any excuse about their opponents to justify it.
I couldn't really care less if Trump wins or loses.

But after its all over it will become clear that Harris should never have been the Democrat candidate and is an awful choice.

Are you still maintaining that Trump answers the question as you did previously?