Donald Trump

[TinFoilHat]

Judge indefinitely delays Trump's classified documents criminal trial

“The Court ... determines that finalization of a trial date at this juncture—before resolution of the myriad and interconnected pre-trial and CIPA issues remaining and forthcoming—would be imprudent and inconsistent with the Court’s duty to fully and fairly consider the various pending pre-trial motions before the Court, critical CIPA issues, and additional pretrial and trial preparations necessary to present this case to a jury,” Cannon wrote Tuesday. “CIPA” is a reference to the Classified Information Procedures Act.

Judge indefinitely delays Trump's classified documents criminal trial

The trial had been scheduled to start later this month, but that had long seemed unlikely based on pretrial discussions.

www.nbcnews.com

She needs to be removed from the case.

I have a feeling that will be Jack Smiths next move.

He just needed to giver her enough rope.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

This whole case is shite anyway. The weakest of all the ones against him. Personally, I think the fact he is compromised by Russia and dodged impeachment, tried blackmailing Ukraine, started an insurrection, and hid classified documents at his house including nuclear secrets and God only knows what intelligence (there is no legitimate reason to do this and who only knows what he was telling who with this info and why) are the key cases and things he should be nailed for. A millionaire off the telly fucking a pornstar and paying her to keep schtum is peanuts and irrelevant. He should have been banging porn stars, I certainly would have if I was him anyway. The point is it didnt change the course of any election, he was caught on tape bragging about grabbing women by the pussy a month before it after all and that didnt stop him being elected. This case is just boring to me, and nothing will come of it, as much as it pains me to think this and as much as I think he is the most dangerous person I have known to be around national leadership in my whole life

It’s never what you did, it’s the cover up!

 

[KS55]

This whole case is shite anyway. The weakest of all the ones against him. Personally, I think the fact he is compromised by Russia and dodged impeachment, tried blackmailing Ukraine, started an insurrection, and hid classified documents at his house including nuclear secrets and God only knows what intelligence (there is no legitimate reason to do this and who only knows what he was telling who with this info and why) are the key cases and things he should be nailed for. A millionaire off the telly fucking a pornstar and paying her to keep schtum is peanuts and irrelevant. He should have been banging porn stars, I certainly would have if I was him anyway. The point is it didnt change the course of any election, he was caught on tape bragging about grabbing women by the pussy a month before it after all and that didnt stop him being elected. This case is just boring to me, and nothing will come of it, as much as it pains me to think this and as much as I think he is the most dangerous person I have known to be around national leadership in my whole life

You are right, of course, but bringing these cases to court has proved difficult. The first reason is Trump’s tactics of delay, delay, delay. The defence makes motion after motion simply to keep the substantive consideration inactive until after the election. The second is SCOTUS deciding to hear the ludicrous absolute immunity motion. In the documents case, the judge is clearly biased in favour of Trump and has just issued an order putting the case back indefinitely. Thus, the Daniels case, with a brisk judge, is the only one proceeding.

 

[JASR]

This whole case is shite anyway. The weakest of all the ones against him. Personally, I think the fact he is compromised by Russia and dodged impeachment, tried blackmailing Ukraine, started an insurrection, and hid classified documents at his house including nuclear secrets and God only knows what intelligence (there is no legitimate reason to do this and who only knows what he was telling who with this info and why) are the key cases and things he should be nailed for.

The biggest case should be related to documents and intelligence, he effectively sentenced many agents to death by handing over their names to Russia, iirc after requesting a list of active agents against Russia… how he’s not been arrested for treachery and working for a foreign power is beyond me.

Captured, Killed or Compromised: C.I.A. Admits to Losing Dozens of Informants (Published 2021)

Counterintelligence officials said in a top secret cable to all stations and bases around the world that too many of the people it recruits from other countries to spy for the U.S. are being lost.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I have a feeling that will be Jack Smiths next move.

He just needed to giver her enough rope.

As I understand it this should now allow the 2x Jan 6th cases to move forward. The judge in Florida jumped in first on the schedule to help Trump by delaying as long as possible. She's done that and is now backing away before she gets kicked off. This was a lucky break for Trump as she was picked at random and was willing to effectively ruin her reputation in order to serve Trump.

The other cases can now schedule start dates. On the basis that 6 months lead time will be required then they won't start until November shortly after the election.

This creates the constitutional problem that he could be due in court on the election day and through the transition period and inauguration day. What is a judge to do with a criminal defendant elected and then sworn in as president during a trial.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

You are right, of course, but bringing these cases to court has proved difficult. The first reason is Trump’s tactics of delay, delay, delay. The defence makes motion after motion simply to keep the substantive consideration inactive until after the election. The second is SCOTUS deciding to hear the ludicrous absolute immunity motion. In the documents case, the judge is clearly biased in favour of Trump and has just issued an order putting the case back indefinitely. Thus, the Daniels case, with a brisk judge, is the only one proceeding.

I know this

 

[laserblue]

Trump whinged, whined and lied about not being allowed to go to Barron's graduation on 17th May but when the judge confirmed he'll recess court to allow him to do so Trump immediately made arrangements to attend and speak at a fundraising dinner in St Paul, Minnesota on the same day. This takes place 1,700 miles from Barron's graduation in Palm Beach, Florida. Theoretically he could just about attend both but even if he did he wouldn't be able to spend much time with Barron after his graduation ceremony. What a manipulative deceitful twat he is.

Trump Appears to Be Ditching Barron’s Graduation for a Fundraiser

Of course Donald Trump is bailing on his own son’s graduation.

newrepublic.com

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

This whole case is shite anyway. The weakest of all the ones against him. Personally, I think the fact he is compromised by Russia and dodged impeachment, tried blackmailing Ukraine, started an insurrection, and hid classified documents at his house including nuclear secrets and God only knows what intelligence (there is no legitimate reason to do this and who only knows what he was telling who with this info and why) are the key cases and things he should be nailed for. A millionaire off the telly fucking a pornstar and paying her to keep schtum is peanuts and irrelevant. He should have been banging porn stars, I certainly would have if I was him anyway. The point is it didnt change the course of any election, he was caught on tape bragging about grabbing women by the pussy a month before it after all and that didnt stop him being elected. This case is just boring to me, and nothing will come of it, as much as it pains me to think this and as much as I think he is the most dangerous person I have known to be around national leadership in my whole life

I would tend to agree that this is the weakest case and the sentencing is likely to reflect that, but your post muddies the waters of what he is actually being accused of here which is far more mendacious than is being made out.

Nobody cares that he fucked a porn star and paid her off (except maybe his wife). That isn’t illegal. Ethically questionable yes, illegal no.

What he’s being charged with is knowingly fudging his business accounts with the ultimate aim of violating campaign financing laws - and not just violating them in a technical sense, but in a big way. And there’s some really important context needed here. The maximum any person can donate to a political candidate for federal office is a few thousand dollars. Businesses are expressly prohibited from making donations directly to political campaigns. They can donate via a PAC which is a fund that is set up to collate money from larger donors but importantly is also regulated and forbidden from coordinating with individual campaigns. This is to prevent businesses from colluding with political candidates for president and bribing them with undue influence.

What Trump has effectively done is take $130k out of Cohen’s coffers and $150k from AMI (the company that paid for the McDougal story) and donated it to his own campaign without declaring it - that’s over 100 times the legal limit on donations, and includes a payment taken from a business. That is very illegal, it impacts things like tax calculations, but also contravenes a fundamental principle of the US political campaigning system. He can’t just create an unlimited piggy bank for his political campaign by letting anybody pay for hundreds of thousands of dollars of costs, and he can’t take those donations from AMI either, that isn’t at all how it works.

We can argue the toss about how much of an impact that actually had on the outcome of the election. I agree, probably very little, and I also agree it’s not a “satisfying” charge to find him guilty of. It’s basically in the same domain as Al Capone getting done on tax code violations. But Cohen went to prison for these things and if we donated £280k to Biden’s campaign tomorrow and fudged our accounts to hide it, then we would go to prison too, because it is fundamentally about undermining the democratic election system.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Trump whinged, whined and lied about not being allowed to go to Barron's graduation on 17th May but when the judge confirmed he'll recess court to allow him to do so Trump immediately made arrangements to attend and speak at a fundraising dinner in St Paul, Minnesota on the same day. This takes place 1,700 miles from Barron's graduation in Palm Beach, Florida. Theoretically he could just about attend both but even if he did he wouldn't be able to spend much time with Barron after his graduation ceremony. What a manipulative deceitful twat he is.

Trump Appears to Be Ditching Barron’s Graduation for a Fundraiser

Of course Donald Trump is bailing on his own son’s graduation.

newrepublic.com

This is a massive own goal in the making. You can see it coming a mile of. Is there anyone in the Trump orbit looking out for these issues and able to stop it? We will find out soon enough.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I would tend to agree that this is the weakest case and the sentencing is likely to reflect that, but your post muddies the waters of what he is actually being accused of here which is far more mendacious than is being made out.

Nobody cares that he fucked a porn star and paid her off (except maybe his wife). That isn’t illegal. Ethically questionable yes, illegal no.

What he’s being charged with is knowingly fudging his business accounts with the ultimate aim of violating campaign financing laws - and not just violating them in a technical sense, but in a big way. And there’s some really important context needed here. The maximum any person can donate to a political candidate for federal office is a few thousand dollars. Businesses are expressly prohibited from making donations directly to political campaigns. They can donate via a PAC which is a fund that is set up to collate money from larger donors but importantly is also regulated and forbidden from coordinating with individual campaigns. This is to prevent businesses from colluding with political candidates for president and bribing them with undue influence.

What Trump has effectively done is take $130k out of Cohen’s coffers and $150k from AMI (the company that paid for the McDougal story) and donated it to his own campaign without declaring it - that’s over 100 times the legal limit on donations, and includes a payment taken from a business. That is very illegal, it impacts things like tax calculations, but also contravenes a fundamental principle of the US political campaigning system. He can’t just create an unlimited piggy bank for his political campaign by letting anybody pay for hundreds of thousands of dollars of costs, and he can’t take those donations from AMI either, that isn’t at all how it works.

We can argue the toss about how much of an impact that actually had on the outcome of the election. I agree, probably very little, and I also agree it’s not a “satisfying” charge to find him guilty of. It’s basically in the same domain as Al Capone getting done on tax code violations. But Cohen went to prison for these things and if we donated £280k to Biden’s campaign tomorrow and fudged our accounts to hide it, then we would go to prison too, because it is fundamentally about undermining the democratic election system.

Agree. And the likely outcome from this if found guilty would be anything from no Prison but a mix of fines and community services to a short prison stretch (4 years max but would not serve more than 2). And of course a criminal record.

We all want jail time and the chance of him doing a couple of years is the prize on offer. It's like a roll of the dice.