Donald Trump

[inbetween]

UPF in isolation don't cause obesity. Too many calories, a lack of a varied diet and little to no exercise (not burning calories) causes obesity. The UPF does need better regulation, but years and years of successive governments ignoring the problem is the issue, and in a $ multi-billion industry, you can understand why governments have been reluctant to act.

If RFK wages all-out war on UPF, the food industry it could have disastrous consequences on the industry as a whole, and the knock-on effects to the economy will be huge. It certainly won't be these wealth politicians that suffer the consequences.

I think you can apply common sense to these things, if we banned UPF's then would obesity get better? I say yes there's a good chance so there is clearly at least an established indirect link.

Let's face it, people in the US are not getting fatter because they're eating too many fruit and vegetables. They're getting fatter because they're eating too much of the wrong things whilst not doing enough exercise. It isn't as bad here but consumption of UPF's is rising in Europe and so is obesity with it, what else could be the cause?

Of course there is an economic impact but does that make it right? There is an argument for consumption in moderation but UPF's are literally designed for addiction. It's a conversation worth having and I think he's absolutely right, we shouldn't disregard it and either way the economics should come last.

Obviously he is an anti-vaxxer but I don't find his ideas controversial. I'd find it controversial if somebody was forcing vaccines upon people which is what happened during COVID. If you worked in healthcare then you'd lose your job if you refused the vaccine and that's both morally and ethically wrong. I'd understand if the vaccine both 100% prevented you from catching and spreading COVID but this is false.

I'll quote what he said last week on vaccines and I just don't see how it is controversial? - "If vaccines are working for somebody, I’m not going to take them away. People ought to have choice, and that choice ought to be informed by the best information."

What RFK Jr could do on US vaccines, fluoride and drugs

The vaccine sceptic would have broad power over food safety, vaccinations and pharmaceuticals.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[MillionMilesAway]

"FDA’s war on public health is about to end. This includes its aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, raw milk, hyperbaric therapies, chelating compounds, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamins, clean foods, sunshine, exercise, nutraceuticals and anything else that advances human health and can't be patented by Pharma. If you work for the FDA and are part of this corrupt system, I have two messages for you: 1. Preserve your records, and 2. Pack your bags"
RFK Jr, October 2024

Damn those FDA type suppressing sunshine and exercise!

Most of the rest of that list is twaddle as well, or at best shows a total disregard/disinterest in why some things are blocked.

If they fire everyone they have any suspicion of, there won't be enough people who know how to run a national system left to run a national system.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

There was absolutely nothing wrong with that bbc article to be fair, it was factually correct. He didn’t just link UPFs to obesity either.

UPF is an appallingly used and understood term.

Weetabix is my favourite UPF, properly bad for you, all that fibre without much fat or sugar!

 

[kaz7]

Trump is going for scorched earth policy from the start , he is going to fuck the country up . A man who will never see jail time ,that is why he ran this time , purely for protection , aided by pro trump judges , he has played a blinder

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Trump is going for scorched earth policy from the start , he is going to fuck the country up . A man who will never see jail time ,that is why he ran this time , purely for protection , aided by pro trump judges , he has played a blinder

We shouldn't really care about it anymore tbh. The Americans who voted for this insane sexual predator knew what they were voting for.

My sympathy for citizens of the most powerful and richest country in the history of the world, willingly committing self-harm Isn't particularly high.

 

[super_city_si]

He's also picked the CEO of a fracking company as energy secretary.

Think he put an Oil guy in charge of the EPA last go around.

 

[super_city_si]

To be fair, aside from his anti-vax nonsense he is 100% correct to challenge many aspects of health because who else was doing such a thing despite the huge health problems in America?

Challenging the UPF processed food industry is extremely important for example and it's absolutely something that we should be doing here in the UK. However, successive politicians aren't doing that and it can only be because they have a vested interest in the protecting the wellbeing of food companies.

The media should DEFINITELY not be trusted on this. I just read a supposed fact-checked article on RFK Jr from the BBC and they actually attempted to discredit his claim that UPF's cause obesity by instead saying that the evidence is unclear. Incredible! Why on earth are the BBC running programmes and a narrative of the dangers of UPF's then if it's unclear?

It deserves a conversation and it entirely deserves for people to look at the evidence instead of gluing themselves to the blindless politics of everything. To have somebody in a post like that and challenge the norms is refreshing. Either way what is there to lose? Over the last 4 years the current Democrat US health secretary has overseen only a worsening of obesity and preventable health problems.

I agree with you and him on the processed foods. But if he goes Trumps way of deregulating everything then its just going to get worse. You don't want him to disband the FDA, rather increase its regulation but that seems against all policy.

 

[kaz7]

We shouldn't really care about it anymore tbh. The Americans who voted for this insane sexual predator knew what they were voting for.

My sympathy for citizens of the most powerful and richest country in the history of the world, willingly committing self-harm Isn't particularly high.

Fair point . I am scared for ukraine though, trump asked zelensky to do an investigation into hunter biden four years ago and he said no, i think trump will make him pay for that, he has already said he will stop supporting them when he gets in january

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Trump is going for scorched earth policy from the start , he is going to fuck the country up . A man who will never see jail time ,that is why he ran this time , purely for protection , aided by pro trump judges , he has played a blinder

Spent all his life getting away with it. Perhaps if he'd gone to Vietnam and not been deferred 5 times for miraculously self-healing bons spurs the USA might not be about to experience the worst shit-show in history come Jan 20th.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Fair point . I am scared for ukraine though, trump asked zelensky to do an investigation into hunter biden four years ago and he said no, i think trump will make him pay for that, he has already said he will stop supporting them when he gets in january

The US economy has a huge effect on the UK's economy. If it goes South, we are directly in the path of the ensuing tsunami.