Dropping out of the top 4 - potential repercussions?

[simon23]

I don't think we need to go overboard on this "lack of effort" thing.

Yes, you can see that perhaps some players are not giving it absolutely 100.00%, but it's not like they all couldn't give a toss and they don't set out to drop points.

The FAR bigger problem imho is that many teams have sussed us out. They don't allow us time on the ball, they defend solidly with backs to the wall and then attack at speed or with long balls. Do this and you are in with a good chance of taking points off us. Our manager seems incapable of realising this, or doing anything to combat it.

it has nothing to do with lack of effort

vs burnley i saw fenandinio running his arse off trying as hard as he could. along with varous other like clichy zabba aguero - the lack of effort reason is just an excuse from people who refuse to accept the actually reality of the situation in that the manager has got it completely wrong with the type of players he has at his disposal.........

i saw dzeko (and im not his biggest fan by any means of the immagination) constantly dropping deep in the first half trying to help out)

i saw kompany going full blooded into challenges, putting his head in where it could get hurt to try and get blocks/tackles in as well as clichy running his arse off, constantly making interceptions, tackiling on the front foot and nicking the ball off players and then busting his arse to get down the line to overlap

I saw silva and yaya constantly trying to probe for openings but getting hugely frustrated cause they were outmanned and isolated...how many of those surgin runs have you seen yaya make this season? i cannt remember one and he has had the chance but he knows that if he does and it doesnt come off then our entire midfield of one in the middle if he gets caught upfield is exposed..........he just phyiscally cannt get up and down as a box to box midfielder........thats not his fault..he isnt built for it

i saw navas dropping deep which eh does very well) and i actually saw him tryign to take people on (but this is not his game - he is a counter attacking player......his pace is pretty much useless when a team set all f its players behind the ball so he has no sapce to run in or into

the lack of effiort accusation is a very very poor excuse and completely wrong = its a throw away line that dickheads like Jamie Redknapp use to try and stir up controversy to create il feelings.......he knows next to nothing and anyone who uses this line likewise

If there was lack of efforts why do we outshoot, outpossessed our opponents in most of the matches and end up not winning.

exactly...it has nothing to do with effort.......our tactics leave us vulnerable and easy to score against....now granted nothing could be done about burnleys goal but they had various other chances/situations that stemmed from our defensive weaknesses that have been there ever since MP took over.......our poor attacking performances and in ability to create many clear scoring chances (we had maybe one or two vs burnley which for us is poor) is down to our midfield being overrun and sitifled, yaya playing so deep he is virtually on top of our back 4 all the time and silva being overrun....plus the addition of a winger who needs space which he wont get against packed defenses and can only get when we are playing on the break

 

[SilverFox2]

Bonus .....For that shite yesterday.....I despair.

Agreed, but maybe the quality will improve if the financial incentive is made more lucrative.

The existing bonus system is based on achievement which this year may be less than average. Last year we did not have the system so heads will drop as the reality of achieving only a basic with minimum bonus for minor placings sinks in.

OK you and I may not be on say 50K a week with perhaps another 50K for achievement bonus but they may very well be.
Heads will be down and there will be bickering and blame allocation.
There will be criticism of the collective bonus system with its potential disruption of any team spirit that exists.

Currently they will be seeing money lost and it will make them unhappy at work.

Try redistribution, it may actually achieve the objective,then at season end we can either retain it or change it without the need to worry about FFP

 

[BringBackSwales]

What a complete knee jerk reaction to a bad result. Yes we're shit at the moment but what is around us isn't good enough and we aren't going to go on that bad of a run to get sucked back.

look at the table, we have been pegged back, we are now in a scrap with arse, rags and dippers for the remaining 3 spots, we badly need a run of wins, never mind how we play getting them, just get the results.

IF the blue dippers win the Europa league are we not talking about the remaining TWO spits by the way?

 

[the plasterer]

What a complete knee jerk reaction to a bad result. Yes we're shit at the moment but what is around us isn't good enough and we aren't going to go on that bad of a run to get sucked back.

look at the table, we have been pegged back, we are now in a scrap with arse, rags and dippers for the remaining 3 spots, we badly need a run of wins, never mind how we play getting them, just get the results.

IF the blue dippers win the Europa league are we not talking about the remaining TWO spits by the way?

yep, certainly are, should everton get knocked out and city finish 4th, that then means bloody qualifying rounds

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

Thing is, I see it like this. I personally could easily handle us not making top four (by the way, I'm still 99% certain that we will make top four, so this is a hypothetical argument for me). Easily. We've had wonderful success over the past four years, more than I've dreamt of. I'm also 100% certain that we'd be back in it within a season. What worries me is that I believe that for our owners, being in Europe (and that means CL) is the absolute proof of the pudding. There is definitely a perception gap between City fans (especially older ones such as myself) and virtually the rest of the world on this point. A few years ago I was in Africa, and kids in the poorest part of Ethiopia — and believe me it was poor — were wearing ragged Arsenal shirts. Now Arsenal have never won the thing, but they've been in the CL for years. That told me something.
As long as we're in Europe every season, that is, visible on the world stage that the CL now is, I believe that the Sheik and the Chairman see their money as every penny well spent, whether domestic silverware is acquired every season or not. For myself, the Premier League is gigantic (as was the old First Division) and if you offered me a straight choice between our two PL wins and two CL wins in the same seasons, I know what I'd choose, in a hearbeat.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

We should do it. United, Liverpool and arsenal have all got to play each other, so that's points dropped. I think it will chelsea, City, arsenal, United.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

Thing is, I see it like this. I personally could easily handle us not making top four (by the way, I'm still 99% certain that we will make top four, so this is a hypothetical argument for me). Easily. We've had wonderful success over the past four years, more than I've dreamt of. I'm also 100% certain that we'd be back in it within a season. What worries me is that I believe that for our owners, being in Europe (and that means CL) is the absolute proof of the pudding. There is definitely a perception gap between City fans (especially older ones such as myself) and virtually the rest of the world on this point. A few years ago I was in Africa, and kids in the poorest part of Ethiopia — and believe me it was poor — were wearing ragged Arsenal shirts. Now Arsenal have never won the thing, but they've been in the CL for years. That told me something.
As long as we're in Europe every season, that is, visible on the world stage that the CL now is, I believe that the Sheik and the Chairman see their money as every penny well spent, whether domestic silverware is acquired every season or not. For myself, the Premier League is gigantic (as was the old First Division) and if you offered me a straight choice between our two PL wins and two CL wins in the same seasons, I know what I'd choose, in a hearbeat.

No..no..no....

First off those kids wearing ragged arsenal shirts did not go out and buy them did they !!! - they would have been donated by someone or even the club as often happens as we do it where I work.

To actually say that just being in the champions league will be seen as money well spent is a silly thing to say. That is basically like saying to your kid that you have just worked all those overtime hours for, so they can go uni but then just be happy to allow them to stay there for god knows how many years but not achieve anything.

We want to win the premier league and we have twice, we need to drastically improve in Europe and that means winning the champions league not just being part of it

This summer is massive because if we get it wrong and don't buy the class of players needed to improve then we will struggle next season to win the league but will be drawn into a battle for the top four.

Your comment promotes complacency and we need to improve and nothing else

 

[momo88]

Maybe it will give a wake up to the Board to do things differently

1) City need better players.

2) City need to be high profil club instead of a low profil one

 

[cyberblue]

Thing is, I see it like this. I personally could easily handle us not making top four (by the way, I'm still 99% certain that we will make top four, so this is a hypothetical argument for me). Easily. We've had wonderful success over the past four years, more than I've dreamt of. I'm also 100% certain that we'd be back in it within a season. What worries me is that I believe that for our owners, being in Europe (and that means CL) is the absolute proof of the pudding. There is definitely a perception gap between City fans (especially older ones such as myself) and virtually the rest of the world on this point. A few years ago I was in Africa, and kids in the poorest part of Ethiopia — and believe me it was poor — were wearing ragged Arsenal shirts. Now Arsenal have never won the thing, but they've been in the CL for years. That told me something.
As long as we're in Europe every season, that is, visible on the world stage that the CL now is, I believe that the Sheik and the Chairman see their money as every penny well spent, whether domestic silverware is acquired every season or not. For myself, the Premier League is gigantic (as was the old First Division) and if you offered me a straight choice between our two PL wins and two CL wins in the same seasons, I know what I'd choose, in a hearbeat.

No..no..no....

First off those kids wearing ragged arsenal shirts did not go out and buy them did they !!! - they would have been donated by someone or even the club as often happens as we do it where I work.

To actually say that just being in the champions league will be seen as money well spent is a silly thing to say. That is basically like saying to your kid that you have just worked all those overtime hours for, so they can go uni but then just be happy to allow them to stay there for god knows how many years but not achieve anything.

We want to win the premier league and we have twice, we need to drastically improve in Europe and that means winning the champions league not just being part of it

This summer is massive because if we get it wrong and don't buy the class of players needed to improve then we will struggle next season to win the league but will be drawn into a battle for the top four.

Your comment promotes complacency and we need to improve and nothing else

Arsenal have never shown any ambition to win the CL just happy to be in it year after year

 

[mancity1]

Thing is, I see it like this. I personally could easily handle us not making top four (by the way, I'm still 99% certain that we will make top four, so this is a hypothetical argument for me). Easily. We've had wonderful success over the past four years, more than I've dreamt of. I'm also 100% certain that we'd be back in it within a season. What worries me is that I believe that for our owners, being in Europe (and that means CL) is the absolute proof of the pudding. There is definitely a perception gap between City fans (especially older ones such as myself) and virtually the rest of the world on this point. A few years ago I was in Africa, and kids in the poorest part of Ethiopia — and believe me it was poor — were wearing ragged Arsenal shirts. Now Arsenal have never won the thing, but they've been in the CL for years. That told me something.
As long as we're in Europe every season, that is, visible on the world stage that the CL now is, I believe that the Sheik and the Chairman see their money as every penny well spent, whether domestic silverware is acquired every season or not. For myself, the Premier League is gigantic (as was the old First Division) and if you offered me a straight choice between our two PL wins and two CL wins in the same seasons, I know what I'd choose, in a hearbeat.

No..no..no....

First off those kids wearing ragged arsenal shirts did not go out and buy them did they !!! - they would have been donated by someone or even the club as often happens as we do it where I work.

To actually say that just being in the champions league will be seen as money well spent is a silly thing to say. That is basically like saying to your kid that you have just worked all those overtime hours for, so they can go uni but then just be happy to allow them to stay there for god knows how many years but not achieve anything.

We want to win the premier league and we have twice, we need to drastically improve in Europe and that means winning the champions league not just being part of it

This summer is massive because if we get it wrong and don't buy the class of players needed to improve then we will struggle next season to win the league but will be drawn into a battle for the top four.

Your comment promotes complacency and we need to improve and nothing else

Arsenal have never shown any ambition to win the CL just happy to be in it year after year

Got close a couple of times but given the history of 16 on the spin you would have to say Wenger has been a failure in Europe.

They should have won it at least once.