Dyke's Proposals

[stonerblue]

Yes the 'hoof it' philosophy is still being taught by most coaches throughout the country I would bet. The FA should implement something (free) to teach coaches from schools, amateur clubs and the like how they should be coaching kids. Then we will have the ground work to build upon. These people at the FA etc. all think a quick fix will do the job but do you think the Spanish took that attitude? No.

Fantastic article on the subject here
http://www.theguardian.com/football...sociation-fa-england-under-20s-steven-gerrard

 

[Gordyola]

When regulations are put in place to solve a problem then inevitably the end result is the problem gets worse. Take the home grown rule that was designed to encourage development of players for the England team to end result is that clubs buy HG to fill out the squad and they end up getting little play time their values go up. Now Dyke's solution is to increase the number in a squad, what a twat

 

[bluemanc1994]

The problem is with the lack of coaches we have in the game as a whole, from the Premier League down to Sunday league. The problem isn't young players aren't playing enough, look at the current England team - there are a lot of young players going to Brazil! They haven't fully developed yet still have at least another 8/9 years in them playing at the highest level. If young, English players are good enough to play in the Premier League, they will, look at Barkley, Shaw, Sterling etc.

As for the B teams, I don't see the point at all. It only serves to ruin the lower leagues. Promoted conference teams dreaming of playing in the Football League will get promoted to a league of Premier League teams. Potentially, a team finishing 7th in League 1 could be promoted to the Championship if 6 B teams finish above them. It will only increase the gap between the lower leagues and the Premier League. Then the changes to limits regarding non EU players is just laughable, English players learn from the best players in the world. Take these players away, we will just see the English players performing worse. But as long as they are getting playing time, everything's fine...........

 

[Why Always Ste]

Lol my views on this are changing as the minutes go by.

I've played Football for many years as a kid. The biggest problem for me was Facilities and opportunities to play.

This problem is still there. just yesterday I saw Kids in Heywood playing football with each other on a fucking main road, right next to them is a school playing field (which I used to play footy on) but now has high rise metal fencing which you can't get on.
30mph road, bus's going past, hgv's and these kids are playing football on it (no joke)

For me I want a large chunk of Tv money directly back into grassroots football. and not just chucking money at it but direct coaching programs for free, teach people like me who've played the game how to coach the game, I'll go on a course right now but the cunts want £400 or something off me.

My driving instructor, told me he never played the game, doesn't like the game but recently learnt how to coach football because his son is interested in it. he's teaching large groups of kids how to play footy yet has never played himself.

Absolute joke, it's rotten. The cost to coach over here is a fucking joke. fuck FA and the Premier league.

 

[jonmcity]

Go to Holland and you find 4g pitches all over, with qualified coaches who have played the game themselves teaching kids to control and pass a football.
it would be better for kids to play in the summer months in better conditions also.

 

[mac]

So there will be a new league 3 with 10 premier league teams and 10 conference teams.
Who will determine out of 20 prem teams who will go into this league.
As well what if said 10 prem teams where relegated over 4 years.

 

[nmc]

So there will be a new league 3 with 10 premier league teams and 10 conference teams.
Who will determine out of 20 prem teams who will go into this league.
As well what if said 10 prem teams where relegated over 4 years.

David Gill will oversee the process, collect the brown envelopes and hand out punishment as necessary.

 

[Cobwebcat]

The rationale in England for introducing a quota system is ultimately to improve the prospects of the national team. At this point it is important to consider that this very argument was put forward in Bosman for justifying a quota system. The ECJ's reaction was that whilst removing the restrictions would inevitably curb the chances of a player to play at the top level in his home country, it would at the same time increase the opportunities available for that player in the other EU countries.
And it is this point that perhaps best explains the current dearth of talent in the English game. For while home grown players in the other top European leagues, namely in Spain, Italy, Germany and France, routinely move to play for clubs abroad, the number of English players doing likewise is remarkably low. Whether this is because of language issues or a psychological reason is not clear, but it is an important consideration. It might be argued that the recently announced FA Commission, in their task to improve the national team, would do better concentrating on long term measures, such as putting the correct structures in place, focusing on player development from an early age, and looking at ways to encourage players to seek opportunities abroad.


http://www.lawinsport.com/blog/item...footballers-calls-for-quota-system-in-england

A point Dyke has missed in his rush to talk to Rio and Danny Mills.

 

[Bottomless_Sailor]

Bring back Bernstein.

 

[Benarbia_is_god]

The B team proposal will not go ahead, their will be far too much opposition and if it does go ahead I will feel very disillusioned with the game in this country. We have the best league system in the world, no other country will you get thousands of people watching a 6th tier game, these football clubs are more than just football clubs they are part of the community. A City B team will be a plastic entity and I will not support them in the lower leagues, it will destroy football in this country!! If you are in favour of this proposal then ask yourself would you be in favour if City were back in Division two!

Secondly i have watch our development team and I think they are better than most league one teams so are the opposition. It just begs the question why would you have them play the likes of Crewe and Crawley on shit pitches at a lower quality of play? It makes no sense. If it ain't broke don't fix it, the FA are trying to decimate the lower leagues and it's a joke.

 

[jimharri]

 

[Why Always Ste]

the FA are trying to decimate the lower leagues and it's a joke.

Why are they trying to "decimate" the lower leagues?

I'm in agreement now however, we as a country need to go straight back to the roots of the game.
Investing in the facilities, making them accessible for all, and coaching accessible for all (as in free or thereabouts)

Once we have high quality facilities available (which are accessible) and high quality coaching accessible we will see an increase in British talent.

it's our national game - kids should be taught how to coach the game in the classroom at school. these kids will also play the game and as they become older should be offered higher standard coaching for free.

Councils should be given more funding to improve the football facilities to high standards.

The amount of money in this sport is unbelievable. big corporates making huge sums, yet little jimmy grimble outside the stadium can't even afford to buy a ticket, he tries to play but doesn't know how because he isn't allowed on the park pitch and even if he was - the coaches on the pitch are shit - and only train the kids whose parents will pay for it anyway.

 

[MCFCinUSA]

I can get behind this and it makes more sense than Greg Dyke who is an idiot.

Wasn't impressed when he got up and gave that big speech shortly after he was appointed (and couldn't understand why some people were impressed with it) and he doesn't seem to grasp what football is all about.

England - as a national team, just aren't that good.

That's the way it is unfortunately

Perhaps things will improve gradually with the sort of initiatives that are taking place at City (and with the existing & very successful youth development of other teams like Southampton) but you've got to be bloody stupid to think you can guarantee England's place in a major competitive final within a fixed number of years.

 

[MC ID]

Yes the 'hoof it' philosophy is still being taught by most coaches throughout the country I would bet. The FA should implement something (free) to teach coaches from schools, amateur clubs and the like how they should be coaching kids. Then we will have the ground work to build upon. These people at the FA etc. all think a quick fix will do the job but do you think the Spanish took that attitude? No.

Fantastic article on the subject here
http://www.theguardian.com/football...sociation-fa-england-under-20s-steven-gerrard

Very interesting, cheers for sharing.

I think I big problem is that from the very first levels we have a winning mentality. While this is obviously good to an extent we have it drilled into every coach at every to the extent that we don't actually develop players so much as pick the winning team, who invariably are the biggest and strongest at a young age.

I'd love to know what Southampton do which is so different to most of the UK, with a limited budget they've done wonders.

 

[terraloon]

I don't see what is the uproar about? This would only benefit the Premier League teams because their "B" players would get valuable playing time.

The "B" teams could not progress to championship or compete in FA or League cups, so how exactly would this hurt the lower league teams?

So lets suppose the top 5 teams in Div 1 are B teams. As you say none can be promoted so I guess no ones relegated. Is that fair?
Or how about the reverse and say 2 B team finish bottom of Div 3. they cant be relegated further so what about automatic promotion for non league clubs?
If the FA are that concerned they could simply adopt some sort of requirement to play in each team say 2 club produced players under 21 (one of which must be eligible to play for England or Wales) and say another 3 that are home grown.

 

[terraloon]

Yes the 'hoof it' philosophy is still being taught by most coaches throughout the country I would bet. The FA should implement something (free) to teach coaches from schools, amateur clubs and the like how they should be coaching kids. Then we will have the ground work to build upon. These people at the FA etc. all think a quick fix will do the job but do you think the Spanish took that attitude? No.

Fantastic article on the subject here
http://www.theguardian.com/football...sociation-fa-england-under-20s-steven-gerrard

Very interesting, cheers for sharing.

I think I big problem is that from the very first levels we have a winning mentality. While this is obviously good to an extent we have it drilled into every coach at every to the extent that we don't actually develop players so much as pick the winning team, who invariably are the biggest and strongest at a young age.

I'd love to know what Southampton do which is so different to most of the UK, with a limited budget they've done wonders.

Huge catchment area is the key. No other EPL within what 70 miles and to the west no EPL teams at all

 

[Unknown_Genius]

Really, really, really, do not like this idea, not one bit. For starters, how are they going to choose the 10PL/Conference sides to start this new division? An extra league shunted between the Conference and League Two is just outrageous. Do they have any idea how difficult it is to get out of the Conference? Look at Luton's struggles, and Wrexham's. To add another between that and Two is disgusting. And how many Conference sides will ever go up from it? The likes of City, United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal B would have far too much for them, and so would the other 5. What would be the point in playing Conference teams anyway? The players are way better off playing on loan at Championship teams, rather then the likes of Gateshead, or Forest Green, and they already play other B teams in the reserve leagues in the current set-up. This will just destroy the lower leagues, and the complete dismissiveness of them, absolutely stinks. Dyke and Mills are dinosaurs, who honestly believe England and English football is being held back by foreigners, whether they're managers, players or owners, and it wasn't for this, the national team would be up there with Spain and Germany, and we'll be up to our eyeballs in quality English managers and players, taking football by storm.

 

[woolleyback blue]

Has it not dawned on Dyke that all he's doing is trying to lower the bar so more average English players can play for a PL team. The idea of all these skilled foreign players is that we move up to their level not trying to get rid of them so we have nothing to aspire too. What he should be doing is thinking up ways of getting English football to change from the grass roots so that kids are taught skills from day one not this ingrained kick and rush football so beloved by the coaches who coach our kids. If he wants an example look at Milner, look how his skills have come on since he's been training on a daily basis with skilful players. I despair at times I really do.

 

[Bluemoonbaldboy]

http://www.footballconference.co.uk/news/details.php?news_id=12411
The Conference aren't happy they weren't even consulted over the fact they will go from being the 5th and 6th level to 6th and 7th. It is a ticking timebomb for smaller clubs. Given how expensive the premier league is a B side in "league 3" gives people a cheaper alternative. Take some small sides like Vauxhall Motors Fc on the Wirral or Marine in Liverpool. Given their proximity to the Merseyside teams it's a fair bet some of their crowd are Liverpool or Everton fans. League Three happens you telling me people might not be tempted to watch Liverpool or Everton b in a higher league instead? The whole idea devalues the league structure for me and will affect attendances at sides like those I mentioned.

 

[hertsblue]

Tweet from Acrington Stanly

Cant wait till 2017 when we can meet Stoke City B team in the league

Abit tongue in cheek i think, good on them