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[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

I was in a pub in New Moston a couple of weeks back with my Uncle, and the conversation invariably turned to football.

We were the only 2 blues in a group of about 15 or 20 - which would tend to back up the outweighing of Rags to City.

However, it very quickly became apparent that very few of these guys knew anything about their team, their current players, the current season (apart from the fact thast they were top of the League), and never went to the swamp.

Before long, it became completely pointless having this conversation as they didn't have a clue what they were talking about, and just kept on coming out with the usual 'How long has it been since you lot won anything?', 'We're top of the League' crap, with absolutely no substance behind it.

Now whilst this was clearly just one pub with about 15-20 individuals, I'm sure most blues can recall countless similar stories in their past.

I guess what I'm saying is much the same as many others have - there are probably more United fans than City fans in Manchester, but are there more supporters?

exactly, the numbers i gave before nearly represent that pub. your sayin about 10:1 in a pub, so the broader ratio would be something like 50:1 outside the pub (football fans generally like pubs)

so u had 2 clued up city fans and 20 united fans. i imagine about 8 out of 20 would be reasonably clued up utd fans.
city fans always seem more 'hardened' because ur constantly surrounded by utd fans. a lot of utd fans rarely exchange views with city fans.

those 20 so called reds could say wot they want without much questionning unless the 2 of u went through each 1 and put him right, but its harder for 2 city fans who are talking to 20 reds u need to be confident in what ur saying.

going deep here, iv got an head ache

Most of what they were saying was included in my post above.

We were putting suggestions to them about your current playing staff, and what we perceive to be the gap in quality between your current team, and the team you had even as recently as 3 years ago. We were talking about specific players and their attributes.

We talked about the progress we've made considering how far we've had to come in the last few years, and how - player for player - we feel our squad outweighs yours. And that if both our trajectories continue (our rapid growth, and your relative stangation), we'll end up overtaking your lost sooner rather than later.

We talked about how you lot are playing comparatively poorly this season, yet still winning - a fine skill in itself, but not one that can go on forever, season after season.

This line of conversation seemed completely lost on them - if there had been 8 or 9 clued up United fans in there, they had plently of opportunity to show their wealth of knowledge and counter what we were saying - surely they could have found something more compelling in their footballing brains to counter our arguments than 'When did you lot last win a trophy?', 'You lot play in a Council House', and all that crap.

It genuinely seemed like they were uncomfortable and completely out of their depth when being engaged in a proper conversation about football (even about the form and personnel of their own team), rather than just chucking a few one-liners about.

And to answer one part of your post - they were the ones who engaged us in the conversation about football, not the other way round.

 

[salfordRed99]

Okay, let's include Salford, Trafford, Stretford, Sale, and Stockport then. I still doubt very much that you're talking an 80-20 split in favour of United. Salford is very much a red area and the areas around Stretford, Sale, and Trafford are but there is still a smattering of blues in all those places. Stockport - for all the piss-taking from United fans - is awash with both blues and reds. Either way, taking the areas above into context with everywhere else in Manchester it doesn't equate to United fans outnumbering City's by 4 to 1. If you wanted to take the rest of Greater Manchester into account then you might be getting there.

obviously its hard to say.
what percentage of your matchgoing fans are from those areas?
how many city fans never go the game?

 

[itsnevereasy]

size=200] ROONEY[/size] just wanted to make a point

All this is hypothectical of course... because city always fuck it up

Yeh he is a bastard this 'arab' bloke eh? You know like putting hundreds of millions in to developing east manchester, creating jobs, more money into the local economy........... You must be so proud of what your yank owners have done for you.

Hollow success - yeah cos you have never blown stupid amounts of money on players have you? And all your players play for the team and they love the club! You know like Granny Shagger, gotta say tho for £220,000 a week I would love my employer, even more if I only did my job once in 9 months.

And the youth system eh? Those kids have no chance now we have some money, you know like when the chairman said that the youth system is a cornerstone of the club or the upgrades to platt lane or the new training ground that is going to be built that will pull the youth system and first team together or Mancini giving youth team players a chance in games.

rooneys won us trophies and earned his pay rises. im not having hes on £220k a week.
i said probable that u wont use your youth system in future. its a fair assumption to make. your current home growns have left or are unhappy

we've broke plenty of transfer records.
who would you have more respect for -
a self made millionnaire businessman or an aristocrat/lottery winner

Bollocks he earned his pay rise - he bent you over and fucked you bareback to get his pay rise.

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Of course I would respect anyone who made it for themselves, but at the same time I wouldn't begrudge the guy next door winning the lottery.

A question for you - Where do you see Utd in 6 years time?

 

[2sheikhs]

salford red's numbers are silly.

and there were wartime cups that replaced the league and United won sweet fuck all of them, so the 37 years still count in their entirety.

i admit those numbers could be way off but its the best sense i can make of it.

i think your wrong to ridicule uniteds achievements during war time. a lot of players were no doubt focused on a more important victory whilst 'they were going over the top'.

i still cant believe that poster that surfaced around derby day. u should be ashamed

I can't believe your club stooped as low as exploiting the Chilean miners ordeal to gain some cheap publicity.The Tevez poster was just for a laugh.Using other peoples suffering for your own advantage is what you should be ashamed of.

 

[salfordRed99]

Most of what they were saying was included in my post above.

We were putting suggestions to them about your current playing staff, and what we perceive to be the gap in quality between your current team, and the team you had even as recently as 3 years ago. We were talking about specific players and their attributes.

We talked about the progress we've made considering how far we've had to come in the last few years, and how - player for player - we feel our squad outweighs yours. And that if both our trajectories continue (our rapid growth, and your relative stangation), we'll end up overtaking your lost sooner rather than later.

We talked about how you lot are playing comparatively poorly this season, yet still winning - a fine skill in itself, but not one that can go on forever, season after season.

This line of conversation seemed completely lost on them - if there had been 8 or 9 clued up United fans in there, they had plently of opportunity to show their wealth of knowledge and counter what we were saying - surely they could have found something more compelling in their footballing brains to counter our arguments than 'When did you lot last win a trophy?', 'You lot play in a Council House', and all that crap.

It genuinely seemed like they were uncomfortable and completely out of their depth when being engaged in a proper conversation about football, rather than just chucking a few one-liners about.

And to answer one part of your post - they were the ones who engaged us in the conversation about football, not the other way round.

so your saying, none of them engaged you in a proper football debate. what would u expect them to say. its not often we've had to question the strength of our squad over the last 20 years and you were questionning it to them, at a time when we are top of the league with 2 games in hand. maybe they couldnt take your points seriously.

i wasnt there so i shouldnt speak for randoms but u shouldnt just assume people no nothing because they didnt take you on

 

[Metal Biker]

salford red's numbers are silly.

and there were wartime cups that replaced the league and United won sweet fuck all of them, so the 37 years still count in their entirety.

Correctamundo. National football may have been suspended, but Regional football was still active and Man Utd could have chosen not to compete, which would mean their argument would hold some validity.

But, Utd DID choose to compete for regional trophies as did Manchester City...and won nothing.

 

[salfordRed99]

I can't believe your club stooped as low as exploiting the Chilean miners ordeal to gain some cheap publicity.The Tevez poster was just for a laugh.Using other peoples suffering for your own advantage is what you should be ashamed of.

me too. its cringeworthy. u could say its immoral, but would those miners agree? utd didnt kidnap them and parade them on the pitch.

but all that stuff adds to why i dont want to go near the place. i wouldnt go to old trafford if u paid me and i mean that. (i go quite a few aways n the odd euro away a season but even theyre gettin full of posh pricks, thats modern football)

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

Most of what they were saying was included in my post above.

We were putting suggestions to them about your current playing staff, and what we perceive to be the gap in quality between your current team, and the team you had even as recently as 3 years ago. We were talking about specific players and their attributes.

We talked about the progress we've made considering how far we've had to come in the last few years, and how - player for player - we feel our squad outweighs yours. And that if both our trajectories continue (our rapid growth, and your relative stangation), we'll end up overtaking your lost sooner rather than later.

We talked about how you lot are playing comparatively poorly this season, yet still winning - a fine skill in itself, but not one that can go on forever, season after season.

This line of conversation seemed completely lost on them - if there had been 8 or 9 clued up United fans in there, they had plently of opportunity to show their wealth of knowledge and counter what we were saying - surely they could have found something more compelling in their footballing brains to counter our arguments than 'When did you lot last win a trophy?', 'You lot play in a Council House', and all that crap.

It genuinely seemed like they were uncomfortable and completely out of their depth when being engaged in a proper conversation about football, rather than just chucking a few one-liners about.

And to answer one part of your post - they were the ones who engaged us in the conversation about football, not the other way round.

so your saying, none of them engaged you in a proper football debate. what would u expect them to say. its not often we've had to question the strength of our squad over the last 20 years and you were questionning it to them, at a time when we are top of the league with 2 games in hand. maybe they couldnt take your points seriously.

i wasnt there so i shouldnt speak for randoms but u shouldnt just assume people no nothing because they didnt take you on

I'm saying that both my Uncle and I came out of the conversation with the impression that we knew more about their team than they did, and that we put a lot of points to them that they didn't have an answer for - so they just resorted to the usual tired old routine to try and get back at us.

And maybe you've hit on part of the point there - that you've never had to question your team, so a lot of your fans have absolutely no idea how to do so. They're used to United having the best players in the League, so are unable to make a proper critical appraisal of a player's ability beyond "He's the best left winger in the League because he plays for United".

Suddenly when you don't have the best squad in the League anymore, United fans don't know how to cope in a proper discussion about their team. (note I said squad there - you probably still have the best team at the moment, but player for player, even the most blinkered United fan couldn't argue you've got the best squad anymore. And your team isn't playing well at the moment either - even Vidic has come out and said he can't believe you're top of the League based on how you're playing - its great for you at the moment, but you can't go on season after season playing this badly and hope to stay at the top)

Anyway - this is a fairly circuitous conversation based on a single evening in a pub in New Moston - the evening itself is not important. The point I was trying to make was that I'm sure most City fans in Manchester have had countless such evenings over the years, where they are faced with groups of supposed United fans, who its plainly apparent aren't actual United supporters, in the truest sense of the word.

 

[2sheikhs]

I can't believe your club stooped as low as exploiting the Chilean miners ordeal to gain some cheap publicity.The Tevez poster was just for a laugh.Using other peoples suffering for your own advantage is what you should be ashamed of.

me too. its cringeworthy. u could say its immoral, but would those miners agree? utd didnt kidnap them and parade them on the pitch.

but all that stuff adds to why i dont want to go near the place. i wouldnt go to old trafford if u paid me and i mean that. (i go quite a few aways n the odd euro away a season but even theyre gettin full of posh pricks, thats modern football)

I assume you're boycotting ot because of the glazers ownership/raping of utd. If the Qatar royal family took over and cleared all the debt and gave taggart a decent amount for transfers,would you end your boycott? If so,then wouldn't that make it a little hypocritical to criticise our owners?

 

[salfordRed99]

Bollocks he earned his pay rise - he bent you over and fucked you bareback to get his pay rise.

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Of course I would respect anyone who made it for themselves, but at the same time I wouldn't begrudge the guy next door winning the lottery.

A question for you - Where do you see Utd in 6 years time?

i said pay rises, hes been here a while.
his last one was a bit mad. i dont know the real story behind it and i doubt u do. i dont believe the truth was on SSN n iv not read that link
Although he did go down in my estimation after that.

i wouldnt begrudge anyone winning the lottery, but if i was a self made millionnaire id probably look down on them that won it.

6years? 2017 the big one for us. glazers bonds mature then. theyll probably keep refinancing though and keep stealing our money.

on the pitch it depends wot affect these financial fairplay rules have and wen fergie goes. we can match anyone for revenue even with the glazers on our backs but if the rules are a gimmick we could get left behind by city n chelsea. wel have to see
when fergies goes, i hope we get mourinho or guardiola, if we cant get one of them then a former player. i hope we dont go like liverpool but you cant rule it out, although i think with the way football finances work we should always be near the top