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[JoeMercer'sWay]

Dzeko was incorrect, but everything else virtually that the rag has said is typically idiotic and ignorant.

And I wonder why I don't want them on here, I'm tired of dishing out history lessons.

 

[BlueRockape]

All lies i suppose


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[M18CTID]

The vast majority of City fans only say it for banter purposes. You make it sound like we have a hidden agenda that involves brainwashing the whole world into thinking the same. And if we're talking lies, your fans have told a fair few whoppers down the years, some of which are for the purposes of banter but some that many of you actually really believe to be true:

1) All City fans are from Stockport. Not so much a lie as a retort to the "No United fans from Manchester" so no probs with that

2) City had the lowest ever crowd for a European final. Blatant lie - AC Milan vs Magdeburg in the ECWC Final attracted a far lower crowd than City vs Gornik Zabrze in the final of the same competition

3) Maine Road's highest ever crowd was for a match involving United. Blatant lie - City vs Stoke in the FA Cup 6th round in 1934 drew a crowd of 84,569, an English record that stands to this day. On the other hand, Old Trafford's highest ever crowd was for a match between Wolves and Grimsby.

4) United have always spent within their means and never had the benefit of a rich owner. Blatant lies yet again - John Henry Davies and James Gibson both saved United from extinction in 1902 and 1931 respectively and went on to pump large amounts of money into the club. Not to mention Louis Edwards who used his own cash to prop up United as well.

Like I say, the first one I'll happily accept as banter but the other 3 prove that United fans aren't exactly behind the door when it comes to lying about their neighbours and re-writing football history.

It doesnt matter what your motives are. Say something often enough and some people will take it as truth. I seen a link to the New York times where they had repeated your 'banter' as if it was fact. so city are tryin to brainwish people whether you intend to or not.

Its probably fair for you to point to the past to show us as being hypocrites, but its questionnable to compare then and now because the circumstances are surely different? Same name but different rules, culture, competitions, values almost everything as changed.

If the New York Times reports it as fact then that's their problem - all Dzeko was saying is that he had heard that there are more City fans in Manchester than United fans. He wasn't stating it as a fact.

Your second paragraph just smacks of someone who is defending the right of United fans to lie through their teeth. So it's okay for reds to spout any kind of bullshit about City but it isn't for blues to do it about United? That's poor form mate - especially as you seemed a decent sort before you came out with that.

 

[salfordRed99]

If we're talking Greater Manchester then United will piss it in fairness. If it's the city of Manchester only (and this is what I'm alluding to) then I reckon it's a lot closer - more than likely not 50-50 but no way is it 80-20 in favour of United either.

whats your logic? I cant understand why that would be the case.
If your going to say because old traffords not in manchester, then Im gonna say your childish and just knit picking. Im a mancunian from salford. that is a contradiction in the strictest sense but no1 can tell em I'm not a mancunian. i work, shop and drink in and around deansgate all the time. I'll more than likely live in the city centre at some point in the future. just because the city boundary (which only city fans speak of) is scewed to the east doesnt change the way we live. salford's its own city because the west is better.. only joking

 

[2sheikhs]

You rags realy do not have a sense of humour you have been taking the piss for 34yrs we have one little dig at your small minded bunch off followers and your all fukin crying foul it is so funny watching you fuckers squirm over one sentence what the fuck are you going to be like WHEN you are winning fuck all and City romp there way to trophy after trophy AND IT WILL HAPPEN.

And well done to whoever wrote the script for Edin it has had the desired effect(give us a laugh and send the sum into a fit)

Your lack of trophies doesn't give you the right to tell lies without being questionned. Iv just said I enjoy the exchanges. I said I find them funny (in a strange way).
Why are you jumping to the conclusion that utd fans want to smash up their tele's when dzeko was on SSN? Trust me, normal people dont take your lies seriously. I'll say it again MILDLY ANNOYING

If the future is a city success and Utd demise, then we'll then have to find our own ammo but we wont be stupid or desperate enough to make claims which are complete nonsense. My ammo will be -

arab money
hollow success (in future, possible)
nothing through your youth system(in future, probable).
You're banned from europe (in future, probable)
you're paying decent players world class money

All this is hypothectical of course... because city always fuck it up

I can't be arsed responding to all your "ammo",but one thing did puzzle me regarding players pay.How much are you paying O'Shea? He's not even decent.

 

[salfordRed99]

Your second paragraph just smacks of someone who is defending the right of United fans to lie through their teeth. So it's okay for reds to spout any kind of buulshit about City but it isn't for blues to do it about United? That's poor form mate - especially as you seemed a decent sort before you came out with that.

haha, its hard for us to properly relate to 80/100 years ago. i think thats a fairer way to put it.
you're picking out numbers from decades ago and using them when you probably dont know the specific circumstances. where as we all have a proper understanding of whats happened over the last 30 years and the reasons why.

a good example is when city fans point to our trophyless years at the start of the 20th century. a lot of those years were war time and there was no football league. stuff like that

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

I was in a pub in New Moston a couple of weeks back with my Uncle, and the conversation invariably turned to football.

We were the only 2 blues in a group of about 15 or 20 - which would tend to back up the outweighing of Rags to City.

However, it very quickly became apparent that very few of these guys knew anything about their team, their current players, the current season (apart from the fact thast they were top of the League), and never went to the swamp.

Before long, it became completely pointless having this conversation as they didn't have a clue what they were talking about, and just kept on coming out with the usual 'How long has it been since you lot won anything?', 'We're top of the League' crap, with absolutely no substance behind it.

Now whilst this was clearly just one pub with about 15-20 individuals, I'm sure most blues can recall countless similar stories in their past.

I guess what I'm saying is much the same as many others have - there are probably more United fans than City fans in Manchester, but are there more supporters?

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

Your second paragraph just smacks of someone who is defending the right of United fans to lie through their teeth. So it's okay for reds to spout any kind of buulshit about City but it isn't for blues to do it about United? That's poor form mate - especially as you seemed a decent sort before you came out with that.

haha, its hard for us to properly relate to 80/100 years ago. i think thats a fairer way to put it.
you're picking out numbers from decades ago and using them when you probably dont know the specific circumstances. where as we all have a proper understanding of whats happened over the last 30 years and the reasons why.

a good example is when city fans point to our trophyless years at the start of the 20th century. a lot of those years were war time and there was no football league. stuff like that

Firstly I have 1/2 very good rag friends who know the game inside out, go regularly and are what I'd describe as 'real fans'.

I think the attitude of city fans towards Utd fans is centered around this;

On my facebook page I have re connected with a load of people I have not seen for years. There seems to be a lot of 'Utd fans' who at school had no interest in football whatsoever. The thing that annoys me about them is the fact that they are now such 'massive' Utd fans who regularly leave status updates about them, put their religious views MUFC, and join daft groups like 'Theatre of dreams' and 'Gary Neville hates scousers' etc etc.

These are kids who could not kick a ball at school and showed NO interest in Utd and now they seem to have latched onto the club to reinforce their 'manhood' and to be 'one of the lads'. It reinforced my belief that a lot of Utd fans are social zeros who need and crave acceptance and use their over the top 'support' of the club as a prop.

Now, Im not saying there are city fans who if push came to shove would say they support city due to family ties etc (my brother is one of these) but don't really have an interest in the game. The difference is City 'fans' like this do not feel the need to crow about their support in the way a lot of Utd fans seem to.

Hope that helps.

 

[salfordRed99]

I can't be arsed responding to all your "ammo",but one thing did puzzle me regarding players pay.How much are you paying O'Shea? He's not even decent.

fuckin disgrace that really. to be fair i think hes been rewarded for his time at the club, alot of which has been spent on the bench. if it was up to me he'd get 30k, take it or leave it

 

[salfordRed99]

It reinforced my belief that a lot of Utd fans are social zeros who need

i know they are. i said it before. probably about six zeros. what about the remainder though?