Dzeko, Tevez and the system

[uwe282828]

To change the system away from home was a surprise,but in the long run i feel the team will benifit,dzeko,Boateng and silva needed to play 90 minutes to get the back to full match fitness.
Dont think the system helped Yaya or Barry who both struggled.

 

[franksinatra]

Shaelumstash

You make some good points in the thread regarding the system, Tevez has done fantastically well upfront playing as the last man and his goalscoring record is fantastic. However we have been a little too reliant on him and due to the formation we have struggled to get players into the box, particularly at home with only Yaya consistently breaking from midfiled.

If as I expect we regularly play a 4-3-1-2 with Silva behind a front two of Tevez and Dzeko. Hopefully we will threaten more from crosses with Dzeko, with the width being provided by the full backs in particular Kolarov.

Tevez has done fantastic alone upfront but I still think he is best when playing in the space, off the the two centre halves and commiting defenders rather than having his back to goal. It speaks volume for him as a player that he is so adept in both positions.

The player I think may miss out more will be Johnson as unless Mancini changes radically and drops one of De Jong, Barry Yaya, it will be difficult to see how he will fit into the system.

 

[gooney]

The problem with City is Tevez, well not a problem but the main reason why the system is little bit of. Tevez is an amazing player and your best player. But he's also free spirit. now before Dzeko Mancini could play him upfront and has the team shaped behind him, it work really well as the team was really tight and strong defensively. But the problem was as he came too deep alot of the time and City struggled at times because there wasnt enough people in the box.

The idea to bring Dzeko is great as it means the team will have a vocal point and someone who's always in the box and can mae opposition centre halfs drop deep and occopy them. But the system behind Dzeko gets little bit messy as you cant play Tevez in either wing and expect him to stay there, you could play him behind Dzeko, but that means Silva has to go to the wing and the three man midfield Mancini loves will get broken up. So he needs to find a consistent position for Tevez and he needs to be disciplined for City to become stable again. But the problem is Tevez strength is when he has freedom and pops up everywhere

 

[franksinatra]

The problem with City is Tevez, well not a problem but the main reason why the system is little bit of. Tevez is an amazing player and your best player. But he's also free spirit. now before Dzeko Mancini could play him upfront and has the team shaped behind him, it work really well as the team was really tight and strong defensively. But the problem was as he came too deep alot of the time and City struggled at times because there wasnt enough people in the box.

The idea to bring Dzeko is great as it means the team will have a vocal point and someone who's always in the box and can mae opposition centre halfs drop deep and occopy them. But the system behind Dzeko gets little bit messy as you cant play Tevez in either wing and expect him to stay there, you could play him behind Dzeko, but that means Silva has to go to the wing and the three man midfield Mancini loves will get broken up. So he needs to find a consistent position for Tevez and he needs to be disciplined for City to become stable again. But the problem is Tevez strength is when he has freedom and pops up everywhere

Thats a very good post, it will be interesting to see how it works with Silva and Tevez both enjoying the position in the hole. Im still a believer that with good players they can make a system work. Arsenal for example as a team looks over loaded with midfielders of a similar ilk and yet it works fantastically well

 

[gooney]

The problem with City is Tevez, well not a problem but the main reason why the system is little bit of. Tevez is an amazing player and your best player. But he's also free spirit. now before Dzeko Mancini could play him upfront and has the team shaped behind him, it work really well as the team was really tight and strong defensively. But the problem was as he came too deep alot of the time and City struggled at times because there wasnt enough people in the box.

The idea to bring Dzeko is great as it means the team will have a vocal point and someone who's always in the box and can mae opposition centre halfs drop deep and occopy them. But the system behind Dzeko gets little bit messy as you cant play Tevez in either wing and expect him to stay there, you could play him behind Dzeko, but that means Silva has to go to the wing and the three man midfield Mancini loves will get broken up. So he needs to find a consistent position for Tevez and he needs to be disciplined for City to become stable again. But the problem is Tevez strength is when he has freedom and pops up everywhere

Thats a very good post, it will be interesting to see how it works with Silva and Tevez both enjoying the position in the hole. Im still a believer that with good players they can make a system work. Arsenal for example as a team looks over loaded with midfielders of a similar ilk and yet it works fantastically well

It works for Arsenal because Nasri and Theo do alot of defending when they dont have the ball, they drop to each wing. Wilshere and Song plays as two man midfield and both defend all the time and Cesc despite having freedom also dont mind coming deep and defend, specially when Song gets fed up with defending and goes on his crazy trips

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

I've made some daft threads myself but this beats them all.

I've met some daft people on this forum, but you beat them all

You sure told me.

So your saying Dzeko's somewhat apparent average Santa Cruz like perfomance yesterday (Even though I thought he did well) means he's shite in the middle and the left all because of 1 game, well god forbid if thats what we're doing then Silva is a bag of wank and can't create fuck all, Johnson makes no impact what so ever, Barry is a shite player and can't play Defensive Mid and Yaya Toure does fuck all for 90 mins.

 

[Shaelumstash]

I've met some daft people on this forum, but you beat them all

You sure told me.

So your saying Dzeko's somewhat apparent average Santa Cruz like perfomance yesterday (Even though I thought he did well) means he's shite in the middle and the left all because of 1 game, well god forbid if thats what we're doing then Silva is a bag of wank and can't create fuck all, Johnson makes no impact what so ever, Barry is a shite player and can't play Defensive Mid and Yaya Toure does fuck all for 90 mins.

No that's not what i'm saying, and if you'd actually bothered to read what I said you'd know that. I'm not saying Dzeko is a bad player. I'm saying the TYPE of player he is means we are going to have to change the system to accommodate him successfully.

 

[wanderer72]

I've met some daft people on this forum, but you beat them all

You sure told me.

So your saying Dzeko's somewhat apparent average Santa Cruz like perfomance yesterday (Even though I thought he did well) means he's shite in the middle and the left all because of 1 game, well god forbid if thats what we're doing then Silva is a bag of wank and can't create fuck all, Johnson makes no impact what so ever, Barry is a shite player and can't play Defensive Mid and Yaya Toure does fuck all for 90 mins.

Don't forget you are talking with an expert who believes that City is renowned for playing 4-4-3, have apparently done throughout this season.

 

[ibruzi]

No that's not what i'm saying, and if you'd actually bothered to read what I said you'd know that. I'm not saying Dzeko is a bad player. I'm saying the TYPE of player he is means we are going to have to change the system to accommodate him successfully.

so, why is it that changing the formation actually bothers you? isn't it better to have another top-class striker alongside Tevez who could possibly make the difference when he can't, than rely only on Tevez and his skills and matchday mood?

 

[franksinatra]

I've met some daft people on this forum, but you beat them all

You sure told me.

So your saying Dzeko's somewhat apparent average Santa Cruz like perfomance yesterday (Even though I thought he did well) means he's shite in the middle and the left all because of 1 game, well god forbid if thats what we're doing then Silva is a bag of wank and can't create fuck all, Johnson makes no impact what so ever, Barry is a shite player and can't play Defensive Mid and Yaya Toure does fuck all for 90 mins.

No mate he never described him as shite, the thread was about fitting Dzeko into the team and would it require a change in formation. Within the thread he stated consistently "not about his ability" or "Im not making a judgement on the player" or "Im sure he is a fantastic player" It was mainly a thread about the system.

Personally I disagree with the OP about Dzekos performance against Villa, however its a game of opinions so let have a reasoned debate on the main issue of the thread regarding fitting the strikers into a suitable formation than jump onto isolated comments.