Dzeko

[BIG DONKEY]

Doesn't excuse his sheer ineptitude of being able to keep hold of the fcuking thing and retain possession. Elementary football, three other three strikers and most likely RVP, goes without saying have this trait. Get rid.

In bold - something you dont have a first clue about, apparently?

When it comes to holding up the ball/shielding and air duels/kick outs - one could argue Dzeko is better in that respect than any other of our three forwards (reserving judgement on RVP, didnt watch many of his games last year) especially since Aguero and Tevez are fucking midgets. Just have a go at cricket or something...

Didn't you catch the numerous amount of times that he couldn't even trap a bag of cement or does your obsession with his player blind you from such flaws in his game?

it's a completely irrelevant and trivial matter when looking at his scoring/assist rates

 

[pudge]

In bold - something you dont have a first clue about, apparently?

When it comes to holding up the ball/shielding and air duels/kick outs - one could argue Dzeko is better in that respect than any other of our three forwards (reserving judgement on RVP, didnt watch many of his games last year) especially since Aguero and Tevez are fucking midgets. Just have a go at cricket or something...

Didn't you catch the numerous amount of times that he couldn't even trap a bag of cement or does your obsession with his player blind you from such flaws in his game?

it's a completely irrelevant and trivial matter when looking at his scoring/assist rates

Same could be said for the likes of Gomez, but I wouldn't want him at City.

 

[ForzaMancini]

Problem with Dzeko is I remember thinking he wasn't good enough but every time I think of him the first thing that comes into my head is his goal v QPR. I really like him as a person but I think I have to begrudingly admit he isn't good enough for us but I would love him to prove me wrong and he definitely has done enough to justify having another season with us.

 

[sbm]

I am really really surprised at the continued need for some people to slag good City players off - we just won the league and yet poster after poster wants to have a pop at certain players - Dzeko now, but it has also been the case with Barry, Kolarov, Richards, Hart, Lescott, Mario, Milner, De Jong, Nasri, Johnson, Yaya bloody Toure and David Silva even - I accept that it is a debating place but through my blue tinted specs I don't have feel a lot of City fans have become spoiled and snidey - and fuck the tin hat, I just happen to be a very happy Blue who gets a bit pissed off with unmerited negativity

Amen.

There has always been a minority of 'supporters' who got their kicks from slagging off the team or individual players. I can still recall being puzzled 60 years ago when my father took me to City games (with a big box to stand on): I couldn't understand why such people bothered to go to games. Later I realised in many cases it was just a way of letting off steam after a very hard week's work.

Unfortunately it has got worse. Some of the criticisms you allude to have been diabolical and are not "typical City fan" (of old, at least). I suspect that the problem has got much worse because of the internet, where the best way to attract attention in a fans forum is to outdo others in "smart arsiness" and to use as many swear words as possible.

 

[pudge]

I am really really surprised at the continued need for some people to slag good City players off - we just won the league and yet poster after poster wants to have a pop at certain players - Dzeko now, but it has also been the case with Barry, Kolarov, Richards, Hart, Lescott, Mario, Milner, De Jong, Nasri, Johnson, Yaya bloody Toure and David Silva even - I accept that it is a debating place but through my blue tinted specs I don't have feel a lot of City fans have become spoiled and snidey - and fuck the tin hat, I just happen to be a very happy Blue who gets a bit pissed off with unmerited negativity

Amen.

There has always been a minority of 'supporters' who got their kicks from slagging off the team or individual players. I can still recall being puzzled 60 years ago when my father took me to City games (with a big box to stand on): I couldn't understand why such people bothered to go to games. Later I realised in many cases it was just a way of letting off steam after a very hard week's work.

Unfortunately it has got worse. Some of the criticisms you allude to have been diabolical and are not "typical City fan" (of old, at least). I suspect that the problem has got much worse because of the internet, where the best way to attract attention in a fans forum is to outdo others in "smart arsiness" and to use as many swear words as possible.

What's wrong with fairly criticising a player?

I've only criticised Dzeko when he's played poorly and have only alluded to his awful first touch outside of a match this once. (yet have been labelled a 'hater')

Does that make me spoiled and snidey?

 

[Marvin]

I am really really surprised at the continued need for some people to slag good City players off - we just won the league and yet poster after poster wants to have a pop at certain players - Dzeko now, but it has also been the case with Barry, Kolarov, Richards, Hart, Lescott, Mario, Milner, De Jong, Nasri, Johnson, Yaya bloody Toure and David Silva even - I accept that it is a debating place but through my blue tinted specs I don't have feel a lot of City fans have become spoiled and snidey - and fuck the tin hat, I just happen to be a very happy Blue who gets a bit pissed off with unmerited negativity

Amen.

There has always been a minority of 'supporters' who got their kicks from slagging off the team or individual players. I can still recall being puzzled 60 years ago when my father took me to City games (with a big box to stand on): I couldn't understand why such people bothered to go to games. Later I realised in many cases it was just a way of letting off steam after a very hard week's work.

Unfortunately it has got worse. Some of the criticisms you allude to have been diabolical and are not "typical City fan" (of old, at least). I suspect that the problem has got much worse because of the internet, where the best way to attract attention in a fans forum is to outdo others in "smart arsiness" and to use as many swear words as possible.

What's wrong with fairly criticising a player?

I've only criticised Dzeko when he's played poorly and have only alluded to his awful first touch outside of a match this once. (yet have been labelled a 'hater')

Does that make me spoiled and snidey?

Yes it does because he's a top quality player who helped us win the title.

Did you see Gareth Taylor, David Cross, Derek Parlane and Robert Taylor? Then you might know what you are talking about

 

[pudge]

Amen.

There has always been a minority of 'supporters' who got their kicks from slagging off the team or individual players. I can still recall being puzzled 60 years ago when my father took me to City games (with a big box to stand on): I couldn't understand why such people bothered to go to games. Later I realised in many cases it was just a way of letting off steam after a very hard week's work.

Unfortunately it has got worse. Some of the criticisms you allude to have been diabolical and are not "typical City fan" (of old, at least). I suspect that the problem has got much worse because of the internet, where the best way to attract attention in a fans forum is to outdo others in "smart arsiness" and to use as many swear words as possible.

What's wrong with fairly criticising a player?

I've only criticised Dzeko when he's played poorly and have only alluded to his awful first touch outside of a match this once. (yet have been labelled a 'hater')

Does that make me spoiled and snidey?

Yes it does because he's a top quality player who helped us win the title.

Did you see Gareth Taylor, David Cross, Derek Parlane and Robert Taylor? Then you might know what you are talking about

So even when he plays poorly, which he has, I'm not allowed to mention it?

EDIT: I don't know why I expected a response from Marvin.

 

[sbm]

I am really really surprised at the continued need for some people to slag good City players off - we just won the league and yet poster after poster wants to have a pop at certain players - Dzeko now, but it has also been the case with Barry, Kolarov, Richards, Hart, Lescott, Mario, Milner, De Jong, Nasri, Johnson, Yaya bloody Toure and David Silva even - I accept that it is a debating place but through my blue tinted specs I don't have feel a lot of City fans have become spoiled and snidey - and fuck the tin hat, I just happen to be a very happy Blue who gets a bit pissed off with unmerited negativity

Amen.

There has always been a minority of 'supporters' who got their kicks from slagging off the team or individual players. I can still recall being puzzled 60 years ago when my father took me to City games (with a big box to stand on): I couldn't understand why such people bothered to go to games. Later I realised in many cases it was just a way of letting off steam after a very hard week's work.

Unfortunately it has got worse. Some of the criticisms you allude to have been diabolical and are not "typical City fan" (of old, at least). I suspect that the problem has got much worse because of the internet, where the best way to attract attention in a fans forum is to outdo others in "smart arsiness" and to use as many swear words as possible.

What's wrong with fairly criticising a player?

I've only criticised Dzeko when he's played poorly and have only alluded to his awful first touch outside of a match this once. (yet have been labelled a 'hater')

Does that make me spoiled and snidey?

There is nothing wrong with "fair criticism" (by definition). But that implies necessarily that criticisms can be "unfair" and that it is not the case that "anything goes".

For what it is worth, I did not have you in mind. In fact, the one thing that I can remember about your posts re Dzeko has been your pointing out that Aguero + Dzeko has been an effective partnership.

The sorts of things I have in mind, quoting from the last few pages, are: "fucking dismal"; "far more dog shit performances than good ones last year"; "his sheer ineptitude of being able to keep hold of the fcuking thing and retain possession"; "watching both for 5 minutes shows that one (Rooney) is leagues ahead of the other (Dzeko)"; "he couldn't even trap a bag of cement". These are not fair criticisms of a player who, leaving penalties aside, had the same minutes per goal or assist as van Persie last season and is way ahead of him taking their careers. These are ignorant criticisms of a player who is 8th in the Castrol Edge Ranking of every player in Europe's top five leagues. This ranking is based "purely on objective data on the positive or negative impact on his team's likely performance of every touch by a player” (my emphasis).

60 years ago, my father took me to City one week and United the next (It was quite common in those days). I became a City supporter partly because of Bert Trautmann. But another major reason was that there has always been something about City supporters that differentiated them from the arrogance / superiority of many United supporters. It bothers me that too many City supporters are starting to display that same sort of arrogance.

 

[The Future's Blue]

Dzeko has the first touch of a rapist, and plays as though he wearing clown shoes BUT the fact remains that he had a better goals per minutes played average last season than Wayne Rooney (if you take out penners, which Rooney takes for Utd but Dzeko doesnt for us).

And one is a hero, yet the other one is a failure.

That's because watching both for 5 minutes shows that one is leagues ahead of the other.

That is because you swallow the media hype and media caricatures.

In the last few games of the season, Rooney had more bad first touches per game than I can recall seeing any premier league player have. The TV commentators glossed over these bad touches (as they normally do when he makes a mistake). Interestingly Ferguson himself didn't. He said about these very same performances: "When we are poor, Wayne is the worst offender" (or words to that effect). But this was ignored by most, if not all, the football writers (who were convinced that Rooney was our only hope in Euro2012 and who in any case come to believe their own hype).

This is the way with threads on Edin Dzeko. A couple of posters come out with smart arse comments about his first touch and the SHEEP - emboldened - come out to play. If Dzeko was Brazilian or Spanish, these sheep would follow the same gang leaders in drooling over him.

Where are the facts about first touches? Well here are some facts:

* Edin has a better career record in terms of minutes per goal than Kun, Mario, Carlos, Rooney, van Persie and Torres.

* Edin has a better career record in terms of minutes per assist than Kun, Mario, Carlos, Rooney, van Persie and Torres. Incidentally he has a better minutes per assist than some 'playmakers' (e.g. Samir Nasri).

Why don't the anti-Dzeko brigade deal with these facts? If they don't think that FACTS about GOALS and about ASSISTS are that important when talking about STRIKERS, they should follow ballet dancing or equestrian dressage (rather than cricket, where, of course, correspondents and fans are not stupid enough to make assertions that fly in the face of facts ).

Good points, well made but I'd suggest this isn't just about Dzeko on the pitch (similar to Tevez), it's more about certain views on if he can track back, if you know what I mean.

 

[Roll On City]

Dzeko is not good enough for City. End off