BlueTangerine
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^ It sounded shit - I'm sorry mate.
My point though is my philosophy.. be productive if possible.
My point though is my philosophy.. be productive if possible.
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Early Retirement
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bluethrunthru
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^ It sounded shit - I'm sorry mate.
My point though is my philosophy.. be productive if possible.
I think you are looking at the situation from one side there - Gaylord is contributing by being a granddad - possibly helping with child care so family members can work - that contributes to national productivity and the earner pays tax. If the pension pays enough it may surprise you to learn he will be paying tax on that income - yep they tax it on the way into the pension and on the way out. Voluntary work is also another contributor as you put it.
Having said that if somebody has worked and saved hard and wants to literally do nowt but lie flat on their fucking back from age 50 so what - they earned it? Chances are to afford that he will have paid more in taxes than you or I combined ever will mate.
As I said I will be interested on how you feel about it in your mid 50's and also your opinion on what you consider "productive" will have changed I have no doubt of that !
BlueTangerine
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I think you are looking at the situation from one side there - Gaylord is contributing by being a granddad - possibly helping with child care so family members can work - that contributes to national productivity and the earner pays tax. If the pension pays enough it may surprise you to learn he will be paying tax on that income - yep they tax it on the way into the pension and on the way out. Voluntary work is also another contributor as you put it.
Having said that if somebody has worked and saved hard and wants to literally do nowt but lie flat on their fucking back from age 50 so what - they earned it? Chances are to afford that he will have paid more in taxes than you or I combined ever will mate.
As I said I will be interested on how you feel about it in your mid 50's and also your opinion on what you consider "productive" will have changed I have no doubt of that !
My philosophy says they haven't earnt it - not in this world definitely. Too much horror. My point about being productive doesn't necessarily mean going out to work on building site.. but in a meaningful way possible to help mankind.. beyond your family of course (that's just bigotry)
Voluntary work is fantastic, if you have no kids it's the perfect way to help humans in your old age
BlueTangerine
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Basically I am trying to say - You were born into relatively decent standards.. You know full well kids are dying every few minutes from a multitude of causes.. The least you can do as a human (just like everybody else) is to provide efficiency, economically, until you can't. I don't see what's wrong with this..
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No problem, mate.^ It sounded shit - I'm sorry mate.
My point though is my philosophy.. be productive if possible.
You've taken the words right out of my mouth and fashioned them in a way I doubt that I could. Thank you.I think you are looking at the situation from one side there - Gaylord is contributing by being a granddad - possibly helping with child care so family members can work - that contributes to national productivity and the earner pays tax. If the pension pays enough it may surprise you to learn he will be paying tax on that income - yep they tax it on the way into the pension and on the way out. Voluntary work is also another contributor as you put it.
Having said that if somebody has worked and saved hard and wants to literally do nowt but lie flat on their fucking back from age 50 so what - they earned it? Chances are to afford that he will have paid more in taxes than you or I combined ever will mate.
As I said I will be interested on how you feel about it in your mid 50's and also your opinion on what you consider "productive" will have changed I have no doubt of that !
squirtyflower
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If you had read the Office for National Statistics data on this you wouldn't be posting downright nonsenseThey say people live longer when they have a job to do, or someone who depends on them. I don't get "the reward" of doing nothing once you're 65 or whatever..
bluethrunthru
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My philosophy says they haven't earnt it - not in this world definitely. Too much horror. My point about being productive doesn't necessarily mean going out to work on building site.. but in a meaningful way possible to help mankind.. beyond your family of course (that's just bigotry)
Voluntary work is fantastic, if you have no kids it's the perfect way to help humans in your old age
As I say with 35-40 years of hard graft under your belt I believe your philosophy will change will change BT. Ideology is great and to be applauded but you will come to realise you can't really influence much outside your immediate circle ( family, friends, colleagues ) unless you do something like find a cure for cancer or something. To say that my 36 years of hard work, saving in a pension, raising and protecting a family is somehow unearned and because this is a wicked world I should set that aside and see I am bigoted in my aims and should instead try to do something meaningful to somehow help the whole of mankind..... from North Yorkshire?
Don't see your point about voluntary work and no kids? If you do have kids and do voluntary work is that an imperfect way to help humans in my old age? What if I chose to do voluntary work at an animal charity - worthless?
Its your view and you're entitled to it but for me its a very narrow and dare I say it back to you - bigoted way of looking at things? Hope to take this up with you again 25 years from now see if you still feel the same. Hopefully your savings, investments, pension - whatever becomes a fashionable way to save ( who knows maybe PPI payouts are the answer - some fucker rings me 5 times a night to tell me they are ) will accrue enough for you to face the moral question in your own mind - retire or work on till you drop and leave it to OXFAM and not your family.
JoeMercer'sWay
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Will a fuck off do you?
This. A big, massive, glittering one will do.
squirtyflower
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BT as capitalist lackey until death, has a nice ring about it tbh
Barcon
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Hard fucking labour? He's a painter. Lol. I framed a 3rd floor flat roof out of 16' 2x10s and 3/4" plywood in 30 degree weather this week and I'm 51.
Can't fucking wait to do nothing.
Can't fucking wait to do nothing.