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[Ancient Citizen]

I wish fetlocks was still here.

Look past the user names and read the posts mate.

You may get a pleasant surprise.

There's no new bloke calling everyone a c**t that I've noticed.

I'd swear I'd recognise one of his salvos if I saw it.

'Chuckle'
Yes, I've not seen anyone slightly to the right of Castro being called a brain doner yet either!

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

I wish fetlocks was still here. He used to bet everyone that Labour Majority was a shoe in for years.

As things stand it points to the fact its probably going to be a hung parliament, with the Tories winning a minority, the incumbent usually gets a bump and also traditionally the Tories usually fair better in the booth than they do in polls as well.

I dont think its "Daily Mail" thinking to say the SNP could be king makers, they are polling well and the 30-40 MPs they could well have, will make a difference. Salmond has been quite open they would vote down a Tory minority by rejecting the Queen's speech.

We could be doing it all again in 6 months.

Don't count your chickens but if as was quoted by the Youngov guy on Sunday politics this slender 4 point lead delivers again at the weekend then a trend may start to be forming. The tories are beginning to falter especially with this £12billion hole in their budget from welfare spending, and sending out the incompetent IDS on the Andrew Marr show hasn't helped. Its a tough week for Labour too having to speak to business leaders about the EU membership. Then there's the final debate for Cameron because he bottled the head to head. I'm not saying we'll know either way by the weekend who is going to win but its going to be an entertaining week for politics.

Count my chickens? Firstly I am going from a poll of polls on the BBC website from the link i provided, not one individual poll, secondly i said as it stands, of course things can change, a week is a long time in politics and all that, and thirdly, I am not a Tory, i will be voting Green, a real socialist party, not the sorry excuse that is Labour who are just Tories with red ties on.

I was trying to give some objective analysis of how things stand going from the poll of polls, something a lot of people on here are have trouble doing,

 

[Len Rum]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/poll-tracker

I wish fetlocks was still here. He used to bet everyone that Labour Majority was a shoe in for years.

Indeed, I have a £50 outstanding bet with that fellow and I know where he lives too so rest assured I will be collecting. The fact that the Tories are even in the running having done what they had to do in the last Parliament shows you how little chance labour have of darkening the door of no 10 anytime soon, long may it continue...!

Perhaps you could explain what they 'had to do ' regarding the Public Sector net debt, and then we can have a discussion.
Last time I looked it was just short of a trillion when they came to power and is now approx. 1.5 trillion, which is the extra 500 bn borrowed that Paxman referred to in his interview with Cam who clearly was unaware of the figure.

 

[Blue Til Death]

They made the hard choices and created the right economic climate for the country to begin to recover in, after the mess labour left, any incoming Government would have had to borrow what the Tories did, the difference here is that they borrowed with an economic plan in place, which despite your musings to the contrary, is working. As for them being lucky with zero Interest, that's just ridiculous and typical of the blithe stupidity that spews forth from labour.

What is beyond argument is the fact that every time labour gain power they gain a country with a solid economic footing that they proceed to dismantle with alarming prowess, leaving the Tories to mop up, which they always do...! New Labour was a fuck up and what Ed is trying to take us back to pre Blair is a complete and utter disaster...!

If the Tories were doing such a bad job after the inevitable shit pile labour left, labour would be miles ahead in the polls, they are not, in fact they are behind in many, why do you think that is Len? Can you answer me a question instead of asking me one.?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Labour should definitely be further ahead in the polls.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

That sliding poll thingy on the Beeb chart is constantly moving from Labour to Conservative, and vice versa.
I wouldn't bet my 'nads on either of them.

 

[blue cigar]

They made the hard choices and created the right economic climate for the country to begin to recover in, after the mess labour left, any incoming Government would have had to borrow what the Tories did, the difference here is that they borrowed with an economic plan in place, which despite your musings to the contrary, is working. As for them being lucky with zero Interest, that's just ridiculous and typical of the blithe stupidity that spews forth from labour.

What is beyond argument is the fact that every time labour gain power they gain a country with a solid economic footing that they proceed to dismantle with alarming prowess, leaving the Tories to mop up, which they always do...! New Labour was a fuck up and what Ed is trying to take us back to pre Blair is a complete and utter disaster...!

If the Tories were doing such a bad job after the inevitable shit pile labour left, labour would be miles ahead in the polls, they are not, in fact they are behind in many, why do you think that is Len? Can you answer me a question instead of asking me one.?

Bullshit. Likewise,if the tories had done half as well as many on here claim,they would be heading for a landslide. The fact they are not heading for a landslide tells me you are wrong.

 

[blueish swede]

If the economy was doing as well as the Tories claim inflation would not have fallen to zero, interest rates would not have flatlined and they would not be facing a 20-30% swing to Labour in London, the heartland of the Tory recovery. The markets don't lie.

 

[Len Rum]

They made the hard choices and created the right economic climate for the country to begin to recover in, after the mess labour left, any incoming Government would have had to borrow what the Tories did, the difference here is that they borrowed with an economic plan in place, which despite your musings to the contrary, is working. As for them being lucky with zero Interest, that's just ridiculous and typical of the blithe stupidity that spews forth from labour.

What is beyond argument is the fact that every time labour gain power they gain a country with a solid economic footing that they proceed to dismantle with alarming prowess, leaving the Tories to mop up, which they always do...! New Labour was a fuck up and what Ed is trying to take us back to pre Blair is a complete and utter disaster...!

If the Tories were doing such a bad job after the inevitable shit pile labour left, labour would be miles ahead in the polls, they are not, in fact they are behind in many, why do you think that is Len? Can you answer me a question instead of asking me one.?

Labour did inherit a strong economy in 1997 and managed it quite well until about 2005 when it began to stall a bit, but the global financial crisis of 2008 caused the economic mess the country was in in 2010 NOT Labour.
When they came into power the Tories slammed the brakes on hard on borrowing but this caused a slump in the economy and Jeffrey realised that by the time of the next election there would be no significant recovery so he abandoned his borrowing targets, ran up debt like a Labour chancellor on steroids and artificially induced a property boom (which will crash as it always does). This has generated a 'recovery' which is based mainly in the South East and on low paid zero hour contracts. Half of this recovery would have happened anyway if he had done nothing due to cyclical causes as asset values rose after the 2012 slump. Other economic indicators like the balance of payments are 'in the toilet' but nobody talks about that any more.
The price for this excessive borrowing made to induce a 'recovery' will have to be paid for in the next Parliament when the brakes are slammed on again.
'Jeffrey's' great achievement is that he has convinced enough of the electorate that this economic failure is a success.
Labour's failure is that they have allowed him to do this while at the same letting the Tories get away with placing the responsibility for the country's economic slump on them rather than the casino bankers, which is why Labour are not doing better in the polls.
This political and presentational failure of Labour is also true in other areas like immigration and the EU where the Tories have also failed.
PS The drop in inflation from 1. something to zero in recent months is due almost entirely to the fall in global oil prices, are you really suggesting the Tories can claim credit for this?

 

[SWP's back]

If the economy was doing as well as the Tories claim inflation would not have fallen to zero, interest rates would not have flatlined and they would not be facing a 20-30% swing to Labour in London, the heartland of the Tory recovery. The markets don't lie.

Eh?

You haven't a clue son.