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[SWP's back]

In the spirit of one City fan to another....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...TSE-100-firms-on-excessive-executive-pay.html

Vince Cable warns FTSE 100 firms on 'excessive' executive pay

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31686622

Seven-figure salaries damage UK firms' reputation, poll suggests

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16458570

Cameron promises powers to limit executives' pay

http://highpaycentre.org/blog/exces...at-to-business-say-institute-of-directors-mem

Excessive executive pay a threat to business, say Institute of Directors members

http://highpaycentre.org/blog/excessive-executive-pay-is-damaging-the-reputation-of-business

Excessive executive pay is damaging the reputation of business

http://www.uk200group.co.uk/Media/PressComment_26035.aspx

News that excessive executive pay is damaging UK business

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...h-business-say-business-leaders-10080832.html

Excessive executive pay threatens British business, say business leaders

You are getting closer but still no cigar.

Not one of those links states that "Executive pay has outstripped not only average wages and inflation but even share value and profit."

There is Vince Cable having a moan and 4 articles repeating the same poll from 1000 people by the UK200Group, which states 52% of those polled think that "excessive levels of executive pay is a significant threat to trust in British businesses."

Which isn't what you actually posted as "being as obvious as the nose of your face".

Well done, point not proven, thank god for that! Then there's no problem and nothing need be done. Next, inequality, not proven, just a bunch of whingers move on nothing to see and nothing to be done there either! That's good, business as usual. Tax evasion? details please, come on! Nothing? point fails again, oh this is fun.

This is how you guys roll, there's never a debate and never any change because the very existence of a problem is denied or muddied to the point of incoherence.

Just as you like it.

All I am saying is that I would be surprised if executive pay has increased at a greater pace than share value across the board over the last 6 years.

I'd agree with the emboldened part though.

Everything after that is a strawman.

 

[Damocles]

Well I'm not sure who's out there giving people the benefit of the doubt but it certainly isn't the morons dealing with my partners mum. On the contrary they seem intent on denying her disability by any means necessary, and the interviews sound incredibly rude to boot. Starting to turn into a genuine worry because there's no way she can work.

Ask for a different social worker mate. Say that your Mum-in-law doesn't feel like her current one is taking her seriously and she is consistently lacking support for her disability.

You do get some arsey social workers unfortunately who can't be arsed but they are the minority in my experience

 

[The perfect fumble]

You are getting closer but still no cigar.

Not one of those links states that "Executive pay has outstripped not only average wages and inflation but even share value and profit."

There is Vince Cable having a moan and 4 articles repeating the same poll from 1000 people by the UK200Group, which states 52% of those polled think that "excessive levels of executive pay is a significant threat to trust in British businesses."

Which isn't what you actually posted as "being as obvious as the nose of your face".

Well done, point not proven, thank god for that! Then there's no problem and nothing need be done. Next, inequality, not proven, just a bunch of whingers move on nothing to see and nothing to be done there either! That's good, business as usual. Tax evasion? details please, come on! Nothing? point fails again, oh this is fun.

This is how you guys roll, there's never a debate and never any change because the very existence of a problem is denied or muddied to the point of incoherence.

Just as you like it.

All I am saying is that I would be surprised if executive pay has increased at a greater pace than share value across the board over the last 6 years.

I'd agree with the emboldened part though.

Everything after that is a strawman.

Prove it.

 

[SWP's back]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/31/wealth-creators-klepto-rewards-bosses

‘Wealth creators’ are robbing our most productive people

I agree with virtually all of that article, not that it bears any relationship to our chat this afternoon.

 

[SWP's back]

Well done, point not proven, thank god for that! Then there's no problem and nothing need be done. Next, inequality, not proven, just a bunch of whingers move on nothing to see and nothing to be done there either! That's good, business as usual. Tax evasion? details please, come on! Nothing? point fails again, oh this is fun.

This is how you guys roll, there's never a debate and never any change because the very existence of a problem is denied or muddied to the point of incoherence.

Just as you like it.

All I am saying is that I would be surprised if executive pay has increased at a greater pace than share value across the board over the last 6 years.

I'd agree with the emboldened part though.

Everything after that is a strawman.

Prove it.

Not sure if serious?

 

[Damocles]

Well done, point not proven, thank god for that! Then there's no problem and nothing need be done. Next, inequality, not proven, just a bunch of whingers move on nothing to see and nothing to be done there either! That's good, business as usual. Tax evasion? details please, come on! Nothing? point fails again, oh this is fun.

This is how you guys roll, there's never a debate and never any change because the very existence of a problem is denied or muddied to the point of incoherence.

Just as you like it.

All I am saying is that I would be surprised if executive pay has increased at a greater pace than share value across the board over the last 6 years.

I'd agree with the emboldened part though.

Everything after that is a strawman.

Prove it.

He doesn't need to, he hasn't made any positive claims. He suggested an opinion that he'd be surprised if something were true, which is an opinion rather than a claim.

You only need to back up positive claims when challenged, not every single word you ever say

 

[SWP's back]

All I am saying is that I would be surprised if executive pay has increased at a greater pace than share value across the board over the last 6 years.

I'd agree with the emboldened part though.

Everything after that is a strawman.

Prove it.

He doesn't need to, he hasn't made any positive claims. He suggested an opinion that he'd be surprised if something were true, which is an opinion rather than a claim.

You only need to back up positive claims when challenged, not every single word you ever say

I'll even throw in some UK share growth figures:

FTSE 100 Last 6 years: Up 68.08%

FTSE All Share Last 6 years: Up 81.73%

 

[blueinsa]

Prove it.

He doesn't need to, he hasn't made any positive claims. He suggested an opinion that he'd be surprised if something were true, which is an opinion rather than a claim.

You only need to back up positive claims when challenged, not every single word you ever say

I'll even throw in some UK share growth figures:

FTSE 100 Last 6 years: Up 68.08%

FTSE All Share Last 6 years: Up 81.73%

Not entering into this argument as im frankly fucked off with politics and all the parties but after the crash, it was only ever going to go one way regardless of who was in charge yeah?

 

[The perfect fumble]

All I am saying is that I would be surprised if executive pay has increased at a greater pace than share value across the board over the last 6 years.

I'd agree with the emboldened part though.

Everything after that is a strawman.

Prove it.

He doesn't need to, he hasn't made any positive claims. He suggested an opinion that he'd be surprised if something were true, which is an opinion rather than a claim.

You only need to back up positive claims when challenged, not every single word you ever say

You've had your sarcasm bone removed.

 

[SWP's back]

Not entering into this argument as im frankly fucked off with politics and all the parties but after the crash, it was only ever going to go one way regardless of who was in charge yeah?

Yeah, as I explained to Chabal earlier in the thread, think of the markets as being a tide that only comes in. There are waves that go up and down, if you are stood on the beach facing the sea, the wave will reach your toes then wash back out again, next wave may get to your instep then wash out again, but not as far as last time, soon it washes up to your heel etc etc etc.

So long as your portfolio is diversified across different sectors and geopolitical locations, no one ever loses money, so long as they sit tight during the bad times.

As an example, if you had a simple S&P 500 tracker Jan 2002 to end of Dec 2012, you'd have made 7.1% per year with a dividend yield of over 2% pa on top of that (even taking into account the "credit crunch".