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[stonerblue]

Prove it.

He doesn't need to, he hasn't made any positive claims. He suggested an opinion that he'd be surprised if something were true, which is an opinion rather than a claim.

You only need to back up positive claims when challenged, not every single word you ever say

I'll even throw in some UK share growth figures:

FTSE 100 Last 6 years: Up 68.08%

FTSE All Share Last 6 years: Up 81.73%

Finally a fuckin graph..

 

[Damocles]

Prove it.

He doesn't need to, he hasn't made any positive claims. He suggested an opinion that he'd be surprised if something were true, which is an opinion rather than a claim.

You only need to back up positive claims when challenged, not every single word you ever say

You've had your sarcasm bone removed.

That's a positive claim, and now you need to provide evidence to support that conclusion.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

in a previous thread about a month or two back you were saying how she made you sick, i asked then and I ask again what have you done about it?

I had her shot dead.

For someone who had to rush off to bed early last night and had to be up at 6 am to work all the hours God sends, you seem to have spent a lot of time on this forum today.

It's truly pathetic the amount of time that some people spend on here, it really is.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Prove it.

He doesn't need to, he hasn't made any positive claims. He suggested an opinion that he'd be surprised if something were true, which is an opinion rather than a claim.

You only need to back up positive claims when challenged, not every single word you ever say

I'll even throw in some UK share growth figures:

FTSE 100 Last 6 years: Up 68.08%

FTSE All Share Last 6 years: Up 81.73%

Here we go..

From 2011

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8546501/Anger-as-chief-executive-pay-jumps-32pc.html

Anger as chief executive pay jumps 32pc

From 2009

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/sep/14/executive-pay-keeps-rising

Executive pay keeps rising, Guardian survey finds

http://news.sky.com/story/1170055/top-directors-pay-up-14-percent-in-past-year

Top Directors' Pay Up 14% In Past Year

The figures were even more stark in the top 25 companies, where chief executives saw their pay rise 86pc.

Then of course there are all the other forms of financial remuneration.

 

[SWP's back]

He doesn't need to, he hasn't made any positive claims. He suggested an opinion that he'd be surprised if something were true, which is an opinion rather than a claim.

You only need to back up positive claims when challenged, not every single word you ever say

I'll even throw in some UK share growth figures:

FTSE 100 Last 6 years: Up 68.08%

FTSE All Share Last 6 years: Up 81.73%

Here we go..

From 2011

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8546501/Anger-as-chief-executive-pay-jumps-32pc.html

Anger as chief executive pay jumps 32pc

From 2009

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/sep/14/executive-pay-keeps-rising

Executive pay keeps rising, Guardian survey finds

http://news.sky.com/story/1170055/top-directors-pay-up-14-percent-in-past-year

Top Directors' Pay Up 14% In Past Year

The figures were even more stark in the top 25 companies, where chief executives saw their pay rise 86pc.

Then of course there are all the other forms of financial remuneration.

There you go. That's far better and quite surprising, though it does appear to be down to execs being given LTIP equity shares when the price was lower, and the market rises have given them a windfall.

Now I've read those, I'd be in full agreement that some executive total pay appears ludicrous when compared with share price performance though their basic doesn't appear to be growing faster than the markets.

 

[Paulpowersleftfoot]

I'll even throw in some UK share growth figures:

FTSE 100 Last 6 years: Up 68.08%

FTSE All Share Last 6 years: Up 81.73%

Here we go..

From 2011

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8546501/Anger-as-chief-executive-pay-jumps-32pc.html

Anger as chief executive pay jumps 32pc

From 2009

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/sep/14/executive-pay-keeps-rising

Executive pay keeps rising, Guardian survey finds

http://news.sky.com/story/1170055/top-directors-pay-up-14-percent-in-past-year

Top Directors' Pay Up 14% In Past Year

The figures were even more stark in the top 25 companies, where chief executives saw their pay rise 86pc.

Then of course there are all the other forms of financial remuneration.

There you go. That's far better and quite surprising, though it does appear to be down to execs being given LTIP equity shares when the price was lower, and the market rises have given them a windfall.

Now I've read those, I'd be in full agreement that some executive total pay appears ludicrous when compared with share price performance though their basic doesn't appear to be growing faster than the markets.

Dont see how it concerns or affects any of us what the top execs are getting paid.
Surely the shareholders wouldve agreed to the pay increases anyway?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Here we go..

From 2011

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8546501/Anger-as-chief-executive-pay-jumps-32pc.html

Anger as chief executive pay jumps 32pc

From 2009

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/sep/14/executive-pay-keeps-rising

Executive pay keeps rising, Guardian survey finds

http://news.sky.com/story/1170055/top-directors-pay-up-14-percent-in-past-year

Top Directors' Pay Up 14% In Past Year

The figures were even more stark in the top 25 companies, where chief executives saw their pay rise 86pc.

Then of course there are all the other forms of financial remuneration.

There you go. That's far better and quite surprising, though it does appear to be down to execs being given LTIP equity shares when the price was lower, and the market rises have given them a windfall.

Now I've read those, I'd be in full agreement that some executive total pay appears ludicrous when compared with share price performance though their basic doesn't appear to be growing faster than the markets.

Dont see how it concerns or affects any of us what the top execs are getting paid.
Surely the shareholders wouldve agreed to the pay increases anyway?

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[Bill]

I had her shot dead.

For someone who had to rush off to bed early last night and had to be up at 6 am to work all the hours God sends, you seem to have spent a lot of time on this forum today.

It's truly pathetic the amount of time that some people spend on here, it really is.

brilliant.

 

[shallyman]

This Dickensian idea that only 2 sides of this class coin exist is incredibly naive. Everyone's arguing about the minority of people at the very top and the very bottom of society. And in doing so you have completely forgotten about US. The majority of people in this country. The people who are not top execs, or claiming benefits. You've ignored yourselves in this argument.

You are all dancing to the politicians tune, and their spin doctors rhetoric. They want you to argue about bankers and scroungers, because it deflects you from the things that really matter in your lives.

They don't want you to talk about your homes being in negative equity. Or being made redundant in 2008. Or the thousands of people who had their houses repossessed. They don't want to talk about how much it costs to send your kids to University. They don't want you to talk about how long it takes to get a doctors appointment when you are ill.

You're all too busy slinging muck about a group of people who have no bearing on you or your lives.

Well done everyone.

 

[Rascal]

i appreciate that - i didn't think you were having a dig - just enjoying the debate. A lot of it is common sense in my opinion. There was evident abuse of disability living allowance in the past fifteen years and as Cameron has said a culture of benefits is better than working. People less inclined to work hard took full advantage. people like Rascal cant see that and just call people utter c**ts for having a valid opinion. Similarly - the country cant afford a bloated public sector so it needs streamlining and efforts to make it more efficient. These are just two simple examples i have used in the last 24 hours to express my viewpoint as to why i favour the conservatives over labour. i have used anecdotes as examples but i have spent the last ten minutes reading about the abuse of the car allowance on line. Some of the stories are staggering.

You are fucking clueless when it comes to this. Clueless to the point of complete stupidity.

As you are so fond of anecdotes, i will give you one and then ask what you would do in your land. My friend has MS but she works. She can manage around 25 hours a week due to the fatigue that MS induces. Her job involves caring for disabled children and she is damn good at it. She does not claim any benefit but is entitled to DLA as she has severe mobility issues. She uses her mobility payment from DLA to part fund an adapted car that allows her to work. She cannot use public transport as its too dangerous as she has severe balance problems. Under the new PIP benefit that is replacing DLA it is likely she will lose her mobility entitlement because she can walk the 20 yards to her car. If she loses her car she can longer work and pay tax and becomes what you would consider a scrounger.

What would you do? Do you think its right that this girl who has 20 years experience and loves her job is denied work because cunts like you are jealous she gets a "free" car.