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[worsleyweb]

i appreciate that - i didn't think you were having a dig - just enjoying the debate. A lot of it is common sense in my opinion. There was evident abuse of disability living allowance in the past fifteen years and as Cameron has said a culture of benefits is better than working. People less inclined to work hard took full advantage. people like Rascal cant see that and just call people utter c**ts for having a valid opinion. Similarly - the country cant afford a bloated public sector so it needs streamlining and efforts to make it more efficient. These are just two simple examples i have used in the last 24 hours to express my viewpoint as to why i favour the conservatives over labour. i have used anecdotes as examples but i have spent the last ten minutes reading about the abuse of the car allowance on line. Some of the stories are staggering.

You are fucking clueless when it comes to this. Clueless to the point of complete stupidity.

As you are so fond of anecdotes, i will give you one and then ask what you would do in your land. My friend has MS but she works. She can manage around 25 hours a week due to the fatigue that MS induces. Her job involves caring for disabled children and she is damn good at it. She does not claim any benefit but is entitled to DLA as she has severe mobility issues. She uses her mobility payment from DLA to part fund an adapted car that allows her to work. She cannot use public transport as its too dangerous as she has severe balance problems. Under the new PIP benefit that is replacing DLA it is likely she will lose her mobility entitlement because she can walk the 20 yards to her car. If she loses her car she can longer work and pay tax and becomes what you would consider a scrounger.

What would you do? Do you think its right that this girl who has 20 years experience and loves her job is denied work because c**ts like you are jealous she gets a "free" car.

What a ridiculous post- fist thing first please stop calling me a ****. You wouldn't do it to my face so don't do it on here. I haven't called you a ****. No of course I would not want that women to loose her car. At any point in my posts have I said I wanted genuine people to loose them? I genuinely support people who took advantage of the welfare culture being exposed and cut backs being made. I am sick of the entitlement attitude of many in this country. I have worked hard for everything I have achieved. I won't sink to your name calling level.

 

[shallyman]

i appreciate that - i didn't think you were having a dig - just enjoying the debate. A lot of it is common sense in my opinion. There was evident abuse of disability living allowance in the past fifteen years and as Cameron has said a culture of benefits is better than working. People less inclined to work hard took full advantage. people like Rascal cant see that and just call people utter c**ts for having a valid opinion. Similarly - the country cant afford a bloated public sector so it needs streamlining and efforts to make it more efficient. These are just two simple examples i have used in the last 24 hours to express my viewpoint as to why i favour the conservatives over labour. i have used anecdotes as examples but i have spent the last ten minutes reading about the abuse of the car allowance on line. Some of the stories are staggering.

You are fucking clueless when it comes to this. Clueless to the point of complete stupidity.

As you are so fond of anecdotes, i will give you one and then ask what you would do in your land. My friend has MS but she works. She can manage around 25 hours a week due to the fatigue that MS induces. Her job involves caring for disabled children and she is damn good at it. She does not claim any benefit but is entitled to DLA as she has severe mobility issues. She uses her mobility payment from DLA to part fund an adapted car that allows her to work. She cannot use public transport as its too dangerous as she has severe balance problems. Under the new PIP benefit that is replacing DLA it is likely she will lose her mobility entitlement because she can walk the 20 yards to her car. If she loses her car she can longer work and pay tax and becomes what you would consider a scrounger.

What would you do? Do you think its right that this girl who has 20 years experience and loves her job is denied work because c**ts like you are jealous she gets a "free" car.

Nobody on here would ever deny her a "free car" because she obviously fits the criteria this was created for. The people who abused this allowance and have done so for 2 decades are the real villains here. I remember when I was working in a call center in Wythenshawe and I saved up £800 for my first car. I was chuffed to bits with it. But I remember parking up in the car park and my car was 15 years old and everybody else was driving brand new cars. From the bog brush lady to the security guard, they all had new ford focus cars. I asked around how this was possible and they told me the cars were supplied by the government as part of the DLA scheme. So I said to the security guard, but you're not disabled? He told me his wife had polio. Yeah, but the car is parked here for 10 hours a day. He told me his wife didn't even have a license. They were all on it. The cleaning ladies step dad had angina, the lady in the canteen had a husband with a bad back. The fiddle was rife, and a huge number of people were doing it for years. These are the people who should be blamed for the genuine cases caught in the crossfire.

 

[worsleyweb]

i appreciate that - i didn't think you were having a dig - just enjoying the debate. A lot of it is common sense in my opinion. There was evident abuse of disability living allowance in the past fifteen years and as Cameron has said a culture of benefits is better than working. People less inclined to work hard took full advantage. people like Rascal cant see that and just call people utter c**ts for having a valid opinion. Similarly - the country cant afford a bloated public sector so it needs streamlining and efforts to make it more efficient. These are just two simple examples i have used in the last 24 hours to express my viewpoint as to why i favour the conservatives over labour. i have used anecdotes as examples but i have spent the last ten minutes reading about the abuse of the car allowance on line. Some of the stories are staggering.

You are fucking clueless when it comes to this. Clueless to the point of complete stupidity.

As you are so fond of anecdotes, i will give you one and then ask what you would do in your land. My friend has MS but she works. She can manage around 25 hours a week due to the fatigue that MS induces. Her job involves caring for disabled children and she is damn good at it. She does not claim any benefit but is entitled to DLA as she has severe mobility issues. She uses her mobility payment from DLA to part fund an adapted car that allows her to work. She cannot use public transport as its too dangerous as she has severe balance problems. Under the new PIP benefit that is replacing DLA it is likely she will lose her mobility entitlement because she can walk the 20 yards to her car. If she loses her car she can longer work and pay tax and becomes what you would consider a scrounger.

What would you do? Do you think its right that this girl who has 20 years experience and loves her job is denied work because c**ts like you are jealous she gets a "free" car.

Nobody on here would ever deny her a "free car" because she obviously fits the criteria this was created for. The people who abused this allowance and have done so for 2 decades are the real villains here. I remember when I was working in a call center in Wythenshawe and I saved up £800 for my first car. I was chuffed to bits with it. But I remember parking up in the car park and my car was 15 years old and everybody else was driving brand new cars. From the bog brush lady to the security guard, they all had new ford focus cars. I asked around how this was possible and they told me the cars were supplied by the government as part of the DLA scheme. So I said to the security guard, but you're not disabled? He told me his wife had polio. Yeah, but the car is parked here for 10 hours a day. He told me his wife didn't even have a license. They were all on it. The cleaning ladies step dad had angina, the lady in the canteen had a husband with a bad back. The fiddle was rife, and a huge number of people were doing it for years. These are the people who should be blamed for the genuine cases caught in the crossfire.

Rascal will now call you an utter ****.

 

[blue cigar]

I tell you what,some people on here really really like to drone on with this "look at me" drivel. Fukin test that.

Seeing as you added nothing, there's an element of irony in that post.

I would have bet a very large amount of my wealth that you would appear....as you say,irony.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

This Dickensian idea that only 2 sides of this class coin exist is incredibly naive. Everyone's arguing about the minority of people at the very top and the very bottom of society. And in doing so you have completely forgotten about US. The majority of people in this country. The people who are not top execs, or claiming benefits. You've ignored yourselves in this argument.

You are all dancing to the politicians tune, and their spin doctors rhetoric. They want you to argue about bankers and scroungers, because it deflects you from the things that really matter in your lives.

They don't want you to talk about your homes being in negative equity. Or being made redundant in 2008. Or the thousands of people who had their houses repossessed. They don't want to talk about how much it costs to send your kids to University. They don't want you to talk about how long it takes to get a doctors appointment when you are ill.

You're all too busy slinging muck about a group of people who have no bearing on you or your lives.

Well done everyone.

Post. Of. The. Thread.

 

[Bill]

This Dickensian idea that only 2 sides of this class coin exist is incredibly naive. Everyone's arguing about the minority of people at the very top and the very bottom of society. And in doing so you have completely forgotten about US. The majority of people in this country. The people who are not top execs, or claiming benefits. You've ignored yourselves in this argument.

You are all dancing to the politicians tune, and their spin doctors rhetoric. They want you to argue about bankers and scroungers, because it deflects you from the things that really matter in your lives.

They don't want you to talk about your homes being in negative equity. Or being made redundant in 2008. Or the thousands of people who had their houses repossessed. They don't want to talk about how much it costs to send your kids to University. They don't want you to talk about how long it takes to get a doctors appointment when you are ill.

You're all too busy slinging muck about a group of people who have no bearing on you or your lives.

Well done everyone.

without doubt this is the best post on bluemoon for a fucking long time.

well done.

 

[worsleyweb]

This Dickensian idea that only 2 sides of this class coin exist is incredibly naive. Everyone's arguing about the minority of people at the very top and the very bottom of society. And in doing so you have completely forgotten about US. The majority of people in this country. The people who are not top execs, or claiming benefits. You've ignored yourselves in this argument.

You are all dancing to the politicians tune, and their spin doctors rhetoric. They want you to argue about bankers and scroungers, because it deflects you from the things that really matter in your lives.

They don't want you to talk about your homes being in negative equity. Or being made redundant in 2008. Or the thousands of people who had their houses repossessed. They don't want to talk about how much it costs to send your kids to University. They don't want you to talk about how long it takes to get a doctors appointment when you are ill.

You're all too busy slinging muck about a group of people who have no bearing on you or your lives.

Well done everyone.

without doubt this is the best post on bluemoon for a fucking long time.

well done.

Totally agree- the biggest issue this country faces is housing for future generations. I make a living because thousands of well paid people are having to rent 900 pound a month shoe boxes instead of owning a normal family house. How are my kids going to be able to afford a normal semi detached house in their 20s?? Or even early 30s?

 

[Damocles]

This Dickensian idea that only 2 sides of this class coin exist is incredibly naive. Everyone's arguing about the minority of people at the very top and the very bottom of society. And in doing so you have completely forgotten about US. The majority of people in this country. The people who are not top execs, or claiming benefits. You've ignored yourselves in this argument.

You are all dancing to the politicians tune, and their spin doctors rhetoric. They want you to argue about bankers and scroungers, because it deflects you from the things that really matter in your lives.

They don't want you to talk about your homes being in negative equity. Or being made redundant in 2008. Or the thousands of people who had their houses repossessed. They don't want to talk about how much it costs to send your kids to University. They don't want you to talk about how long it takes to get a doctors appointment when you are ill.

You're all too busy slinging muck about a group of people who have no bearing on you or your lives.

Well done everyone.

Mainly because people don't really have too much of an issue with those things.

It's a testament to how good in the country we have it when the main arguments of inequality are bankers earning massive bonuses or people nicking £50 a week from the benefits system.

They aren't dancing to somebody else's tune, they're talking about extreme incidents because the middle is so good.

 

[Len Rum]

This Dickensian idea that only 2 sides of this class coin exist is incredibly naive. Everyone's arguing about the minority of people at the very top and the very bottom of society. And in doing so you have completely forgotten about US. The majority of people in this country. The people who are not top execs, or claiming benefits. You've ignored yourselves in this argument.

You are all dancing to the politicians tune, and their spin doctors rhetoric. They want you to argue about bankers and scroungers, because it deflects you from the things that really matter in your lives.

They don't want you to talk about your homes being in negative equity. Or being made redundant in 2008. Or the thousands of people who had their houses repossessed. They don't want to talk about how much it costs to send your kids to University. They don't want you to talk about how long it takes to get a doctors appointment when you are ill.

You're all too busy slinging muck about a group of people who have no bearing on you or your lives.

Well done everyone.

Mainly because people don't really have too much of an issue with those things.

It's a testament to how good in the country we have it when the main arguments of inequality are bankers earning massive bonuses or people nicking £50 a week from the benefits system.

They aren't dancing to somebody else's tune, they're talking about extreme incidents because the middle is so good.

Interesting you say 'the middle is so good' because a lot of political commentators are saying the middle ground has collapsed.
I haven't got a fcuking clue who's right but it's err...... food for thought? ( hate that expression even though I just used it).

 

[shallyman]

This Dickensian idea that only 2 sides of this class coin exist is incredibly naive. Everyone's arguing about the minority of people at the very top and the very bottom of society. And in doing so you have completely forgotten about US. The majority of people in this country. The people who are not top execs, or claiming benefits. You've ignored yourselves in this argument.

You are all dancing to the politicians tune, and their spin doctors rhetoric. They want you to argue about bankers and scroungers, because it deflects you from the things that really matter in your lives.

They don't want you to talk about your homes being in negative equity. Or being made redundant in 2008. Or the thousands of people who had their houses repossessed. They don't want to talk about how much it costs to send your kids to University. They don't want you to talk about how long it takes to get a doctors appointment when you are ill.

You're all too busy slinging muck about a group of people who have no bearing on you or your lives.

Well done everyone.

Mainly because people don't really have too much of an issue with those things.

It's a testament to how good in the country we have it when the main arguments of inequality are bankers earning massive bonuses or people nicking £50 a week from the benefits system.

They aren't dancing to somebody else's tune, they're talking about extreme incidents because the middle is so good.

Balls, people have plenty of issues with their houses being in negative equity from the boom and bust of New Labour. And then the people who had their houses repossessed in 2008 when it all went tits up.

Ed Miliband was on TV last week almost straining to remember that period like it was a distant blot on the landscape, but I remember it well. There was him, Ed Balls, Harriet Harman...and they were telling us to vote for Gordon Brown. They said that he's the only one who can rescue the economy. The same bloke who decided not to regulate the banks, and doubled the UK's debt. Miliband and Balls were his key advisers at the time. The same mob that people are championing now. I'm no Tory supporter, but I'm not taking a bite out of labour's shit sandwich either. And anyone who was made redundant during their tenure can testify to that.

And if people aren't dancing to the tune of this media led rhetoric, how come every night on TV there is a program about people on benefits. Even during the day they have one called saints and sinners. Then we have the likes of Russell Brand, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband telling us it's all the bankers fault they are the ones you need to blame. You can go on any social media at the moment and people are taking about a fictional class war between the rich and poor. It's all bollix. The tories only got in because labour made a complete hash of it. If they get another term, it's because normal working people remember what happened and might just want a bit of stability in their lives.