denislawsbackheel
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worsleyweb said:Slightly off topic but it is fabulous to see events like this in manchester. That shot of media city on itv news at ten then was brilliant. Love having media city up here now. So important to perception of our city.
Without being pedantic, it was in Salford.
It was ironic that last night whilst watching the Strangeways programme and "Salford" was sprayed on the cell walls after the riot. 25 years on and they're hosting the leaders debate and Question Time there tonight.
Rascal said:hilts said:Rascal said:We elect MPs to have our say.
We didnt have a referendum on NHS reorganisation did we.
You cannot type that with a straight face surely, sometimes it is better to ponder for a while rather than post
I am actually totally against referenda on any subject. I think they are bad politics.
My personal view on it. Sorry you dont agree, but i dont like them. We have MPs we elect, we pay them to make our decisions for us. Government by referenda is just not feasible on any level.
Switzerland do ok.
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i didn't manage to watch all of it, is there any where i could watch it online ?
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hilts said:Rascal said:hilts said:You cannot type that with a straight face surely, sometimes it is better to ponder for a while rather than post
I am actually totally against referenda on any subject. I think they are bad politics.
My personal view on it. Sorry you dont agree, but i dont like them. We have MPs we elect, we pay them to make our decisions for us. Government by referenda is just not feasible on any level.
Not feasible on every issue i agree but let's take europe and immigration as a topic as they are the same thing
labour europe mass immigration
libs europe mass immigration
greens europe mass immigration
snp europe mass immigration
plaid cymru europe mass immigration
tories fudge then big pr stunt for europe immigration
Ukip get out of europe
so if you are against uncontrolled immigration you have to vote UKIP even though you may think they are completely useless
we had a false say in the 70's i would like to vote lib dems but immigration is a sticking point, swaying from the libs to ukip is a bit of a stretch
If immigration and the EU is such a major issue then surely UKIP would win a majority in Parliament and a referendum would not be needed. I would accept that no problem.
Perhaps Immigration and the EU is not such a major issue and therefore if it is not why hold a referendum on it when there are bigger issues in peoples lives.
But as i say im against referenda per se
W12 said:Rascal said:hilts said:You cannot type that with a straight face surely, sometimes it is better to ponder for a while rather than post
I am actually totally against referenda on any subject. I think they are bad politics.
My personal view on it. Sorry you dont agree, but i dont like them. We have MPs we elect, we pay them to make our decisions for us. Government by referenda is just not feasible on any level.
Switzerland do ok.
They get about 50% turnout for referendums and only have 5 million voters. Not sure that classifies as doing ok.
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Rascal said:hilts said:Rascal said:I am actually totally against referenda on any subject. I think they are bad politics.
My personal view on it. Sorry you dont agree, but i dont like them. We have MPs we elect, we pay them to make our decisions for us. Government by referenda is just not feasible on any level.
Not feasible on every issue i agree but let's take europe and immigration as a topic as they are the same thing
labour europe mass immigration
libs europe mass immigration
greens europe mass immigration
snp europe mass immigration
plaid cymru europe mass immigration
tories fudge then big pr stunt for europe immigration
Ukip get out of europe
so if you are against uncontrolled immigration you have to vote UKIP even though you may think they are completely useless
we had a false say in the 70's i would like to vote lib dems but immigration is a sticking point, swaying from the libs to ukip is a bit of a stretch
If immigration and the EU is such a major issue then surely UKIP would win a majority in Parliament and a referendum would not be needed. I would accept that no problem.
Perhaps Immigration and the EU is not such a major issue and therefore if it is not why hold a referendum on it when there are bigger issues in peoples lives.
But as i say im against referenda per se
it will be one of several major issues, it has been going on for years now, it needs to be rectified so we can move on
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I think its really helped the snp and helped to screw labour over in scotland.
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Rascal said:hilts said:Rascal said:I am actually totally against referenda on any subject. I think they are bad politics.
My personal view on it. Sorry you dont agree, but i dont like them. We have MPs we elect, we pay them to make our decisions for us. Government by referenda is just not feasible on any level.
Not feasible on every issue i agree but let's take europe and immigration as a topic as they are the same thing
labour europe mass immigration
libs europe mass immigration
greens europe mass immigration
snp europe mass immigration
plaid cymru europe mass immigration
tories fudge then big pr stunt for europe immigration
Ukip get out of europe
so if you are against uncontrolled immigration you have to vote UKIP even though you may think they are completely useless
we had a false say in the 70's i would like to vote lib dems but immigration is a sticking point, swaying from the libs to ukip is a bit of a stretch
If immigration and the EU is such a major issue then surely UKIP would win a majority in Parliament and a referendum would not be needed. I would accept that no problem.
Perhaps Immigration and the EU is not such a major issue and therefore if it is not why hold a referendum on it when there are bigger issues in peoples lives.
But as i say im against referenda per se
It is a big issue though for a lot of voters, its just you dont base your vote off one issue do you ?.
Damocles said:W12 said:Rascal said:I am actually totally against referenda on any subject. I think they are bad politics.
My personal view on it. Sorry you dont agree, but i dont like them. We have MPs we elect, we pay them to make our decisions for us. Government by referenda is just not feasible on any level.
Switzerland do ok.
They get about 50% turnout for referendums and only have 5 million voters. Not sure that classifies as doing ok.
We can only dream of a 50% turnout right now