Eden Hazard (continued)

[adrianr]

Lol at the thought of going to Chelsea. 6th in the league, CL win by the skin of their teeth playing football no right minded attacking footballer would be proud of, still should have been knocked out twice by three penalties, no manager, mental owner, shit stadium. It would be more sensible for him to go to the Rags, and that's saying something.

 

[dctid]

Chelsea don't have a manager. Obvious point, but if a player was torn between 2-3 clubs, that might tip the balance. Certainly doesn't help CFC

Maybe so but Guardiola has recently said that he may come back to football if he were to recieve a fantastic offer (or words to that effect)

Its highly likely that Chelski have indicated whom there next manager is going to be and even if they have not then they will get a decent one.

They have been in the CL semi for a few years now and regularily win silverwear and add to that its in London it would not a massively suprising decision if true - personally i hope it is because Chelski need to spend lots more with their ageing squad - personally i think if he goes to United and they get that Dortmund chap they will be much much stronger

Guardiola is not going to walk straight into another job (even if he did he would be highly unlikely to be able to reproduce what he had at FCB)

I like our playing squad and see a lot of potential in players like AJ who have come on a lot. I don't see that players like RVP, hazard etc offer that much more than what we have, but the cost of losing these transfer battles is that man utd or Chelsea will be renewed. However they are going to strengthen anyway. Even if we get hazard, or RVP, there are plenty of players out there who Utd can buy to transform their midfield. We might as well just bid for truly World Class talent like Bale, Robben, Alaba etc if these players become available.

Why is he not going to be able to walk into another job - do you consider him to be shit - Chelski have a vacant managers position and Guardiola is one of the top top managers he would walk into pretty much any job he wanted if there was a vacancy.

Check the internet news there are plenty of reports indicating that there is a meeting set up next week between Chelsea and his brother (dont know if this is agent)

Agree pretty much with the rest especially AJ whom get a kickin by some on this forum

 

[Red_fan]

I'm not sure if the Chelsea story is true. If it is, so much for basing his decision around 'footballing' reasons!

If they don't even have a manager yet, how in the holy fuck could he get assurances over what position he'll be played in, and how much game time he'll be guaranteed!

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

Over the course of the last few weeks Hazard has dropped hints left right and centre

I will be playing in the Prem
I will be playing in Manchester
I will be wearing Blue

Now all this would point obviously to us, however one possible quote that came out this week was that hazard wants to play as the number 10 at his new club.

So that leaves me with 1 club in it.....US (as our number 10 is Dzeko and he could well be on his way although not confirmed)....chelsea's number 10 is I think Mata and the scums number 10 is shrek and I cannot see them wanting to give up there squad numbers for a 22 year old lad.

roll on England v Belgium because that should be as reported when he will state afterwards where in fact he will be playing

 

[Red_fan]

Over the course of the last few weeks Hazard has dropped hints left right and centre

I will be playing in the Prem
I will be playing in Manchester
I will be wearing Blue

Now all this would point obviously to us, however one possible quote that came out this week was that hazard wants to play as the number 10 at his new club.

So that leaves me with 1 club in it.....US (as our number 10 is Dzeko and he could well be on his way although not confirmed)....chelsea's number 10 is I think Mata and the scums number 10 is shrek and I cannot see them wanting to give up there squad numbers for a 22 year old lad.

roll on England v Belgium because that should be as reported when he will state afterwards where in fact he will be playing

I think the ''I'll be wearing blue'' quote was denied.

 

[Danamy]

There is absolutely no good reason for Hazard to go to Chelsea unless they have convinced him they are getting Pep Guardiola or similar & several top class players.

They'll need that just to finish in the top 4.

Don't rule out the Guardiola bit for one minute, they're all over him at the moment, trying to change his mind about having a break.

He's the man they want and they're prepared to rip up trees to get him

 

[whyalwaysyou]

Need to get this "they won the CL in a shit way" thought out of the system. It doesn't matter how CFC won it, they still fucking won it lol And that is all that matters to players.
And they have won trophies consistently last 9-10 yrs.

 

[malg]

Need to get this "they won the CL in a shit way" thought out of the system. It doesn't matter how CFC won it, they still fucking won it lol And that is all that matters to players.
And they have won trophies consistently last 9-10 yrs.

Yep. The Rags were battered by Bayern in '99, but no one remembers that, all they remember is that the Rags won it quite dramatically. I bet no one will remember how Chelsea won it, they won it and that's all that matters. However, I think Abramovic wants to win it playing like Barcelona and not by parking the bus - hence the new manager.

 

[waspish]

There is absolutely no good reason for Hazard to go to Chelsea unless they have convinced him they are getting Pep Guardiola or similar & several top class players.

They'll need that just to finish in the top 4.

Don't rule out the Guardiola bit for one minute, they're all over him at the moment, trying to change his mind about having a break.

He's the man they want and they're prepared to rip up trees to get him

Yep they'll go all out for him but he'll have to rebuild ad trying imprint his style of football, it won't be easy but one thing for certain they will give him the time

 

[adrianr]

Need to get this "they won the CL in a shit way" thought out of the system. It doesn't matter how CFC won it, they still fucking won it lol And that is all that matters to players.
And they have won trophies consistently last 9-10 yrs.

Not at all. They won it in the only way an ageing Mourinho squad coming to the end of it's era can do, defending, defending, and defending some more. We won the league playing the best attacking football by miles. Hazard has made it known that he wants to play somewhere that suits his style of football, that's us.

Furthermore, who do you think Hazard would put money on winning the CL next? Us our Chelsea? In fact extend that, who do you think ANYONE would put money on winning the CL next out of the two clubs?

History is nice, but just like us winning the league this year doesn't give Hazard a winners medal, Chelsea winning the CL doesn't give him one either. He'll be looking at all the choices and deciding which gives him the best chance of winning the next one, or the next one. Given our squad, progress and financial backing so far, that's got to be us.

 

[Chiefblue]

Don't see how winning the champions League determines his mind... its nice but he doesnt get a winners medal for joining the current champions you know!!!! He wants to go to a team that has a realistic chance of winning it next year!

So, it does matter how they won it, and it does matter where they finished up in the league.

red or sky blue is his choice.

 

[Any1aBlue]

They had been reporting Nasri to United for some time.

Could we let Nasri go to United and bring in Hazard instead? I know who i'd rather have....................

I think a big part of the reason Hazard changed his mind about coming to us is that we already have three similar players all vying for the same places that he wants to occupy: Tevez, Nasri and Silva. I think Hazard would probably be better than Tevez and certainly better than Nasri.

Also, Mancini doesnt play wingers which is why AJ and Milner cant get a game. Hazard will be aware of this.

Chelsea and United both have 'vacancies' for that role - which is why he's attracted there, and it could see both clubs changing their respective formations to match ours i.e. 4-2-3-1 and why both have been trying to get the inferior Modric on board too.

You could see Ferguson switching to a 4-2-3-1? Along with Chelseas unnamed tacticless manager?

Doubtful. I don't think people realize how much the media is playin into Hazards mind games. We often blame agents and players for stroking the flames but this would be a lot easier if the fans just took the player for his word. It's not like Hazard dispelling his every notion to the media, and if he did it's not like his agents would be truthful.

It seems smart to me for a player to say hes going to United to grab more money from City's grasp. It also seems smart to include a tertiary buyer so the clubs know if thy both stand firm neither will get him.

Just wait and see. No matter where he goes he will get 35 total games at least in his preferred position. He will play in whatever free role best suits him as Nasri/Silva and even Milner have in the past.

Yes, that's a fair point about them changing their formations - but they haven't had the personnel to do it in the past, plus the 4-2-3-1 formation is proving to be the best.
Strangely, it was a formation invented, i believe, by Brazil.
Perhaps Fergie now thinks wingers makes his side too vulnerable? Certainly, the excellent performance of Young in that role worked for England last night.

I'm not sure about the agents 'trying it on' by offering their man to the highest bidder either - a very risky game to play IF he, hazard, had already made up his mind which he wanted to pick.

It may also come down to Manager's - or lack of them. Given that Chelsea don't have one and United probably wont after next Season. That sort of impending insecurity would play on a youngster's mind too I suppose.

 

[City Raider]

these stories have come from most reliable source so far, and the thing that concerns me is that they mention we have pulled out of the race, which is exactly how I thought it might play out, rather than wait on him to announce going somewhere else

same as kaka and sanchez transfers

still only stories though, even if his agent is meeting cfc, it doesn't mean his mind is made up

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

L'Equipe reporting today that Hazard close to signing 5 year Chelsea deal.

Also saying that a switch to United isn't out of the question but a switch to City is almost dead.

<a class="postlink" href="https://twitter.com/#!/RBairner" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://twitter.com/#!/RBairner</a> well worth following for developments.

He works for the least reliable media outlet on the interweb ? What previous does he have that leads you to recommend him please.

I find the goal.com bashing amusing to say the least. Mostly, they report news of other newspapers with regards to transfers. I think people may find it useful to hear from a French correspondent what the French papers are saying with regards to football, so I recommended following him to be helpful.

Ok, I did ask politely why you were recommending him and you have responded in kind. Thanks for that, if a few more threads followed this route instead of the usual "bollocks your a rag" then it would be a much better place. I will keep an eye on Mr Bairner for a while and see how it pans out, although I am still more than sceptical about Goal as I have seen as much evidence of made up stories as I have those plagiarised from other news sources.

 

[Damocles]

Could we let Nasri go to United and bring in Hazard instead? I know who i'd rather have....................

I think a big part of the reason Hazard changed his mind about coming to us is that we already have three similar players all vying for the same places that he wants to occupy: Tevez, Nasri and Silva. I think Hazard would probably be better than Tevez and certainly better than Nasri.

Also, Mancini doesnt play wingers which is why AJ and Milner cant get a game. Hazard will be aware of this.

Chelsea and United both have 'vacancies' for that role - which is why he's attracted there, and it could see both clubs changing their respective formations to match ours i.e. 4-2-3-1 and why both have been trying to get the inferior Modric on board too.

You could see Ferguson switching to a 4-2-3-1? Along with Chelseas unnamed tacticless manager?

Doubtful. I don't think people realize how much the media is playin into Hazards mind games. We often blame agents and players for stroking the flames but this would be a lot easier if the fans just took the player for his word. It's not like Hazard dispelling his every notion to the media, and if he did it's not like his agents would be truthful.

It seems smart to me for a player to say hes going to United to grab more money from City's grasp. It also seems smart to include a tertiary buyer so the clubs know if thy both stand firm neither will get him.

Just wait and see. No matter where he goes he will get 35 total games at least in his preferred position. He will play in whatever free role best suits him as Nasri/Silva and even Milner have in the past.

Yes, that's a fair point about them changing their formations - but they haven't had the personnel to do it in the past, plus the 4-2-3-1 formation is proving to be the best.
Strangely, it was a formation invented, i believe, by Brazil.
Perhaps Fergie now thinks wingers makes his side too vulnerable? Certainly, the excellent performance of Young in that role worked for England last night.

I'm not sure about the agents 'trying it on' by offering their man to the highest bidder either - a very risky game to play IF he, hazard, had already made up his mind which he wanted to pick.

It may also come down to Manager's - or lack of them. Given that Chelsea don't have one and United probably wont after next Season. That sort of impending insecurity would play on a youngster's mind too I suppose.

Actually, the 4-2-3-1 was invented in Spain by Irureta when he was at Santander in 93. However, it didnt really become popular until he successfully used it as Deportivo and almost immediately adopted by Capello at Real and Benitez at Valencia.

EDIT for more info.

A coach called Lillo has claimed that he was using 4231 at Cultural in 1991, but Irureta seems to get the credit for popularising it. According to Jonathan Wlison, John Toshack at Real used to play with two holding midfielders as did Co Adriaanse in the late 80s at Den Haag but this was more of a split striker system in a 4321 than a 4231. Veneables brought it into the English lexicon around 1996 but only as an experimental Xmas tree which was never adapted to 4231 in this country. We could have been 5 years ahead of everybody tactically with a bit more bravery.

 

[Red_fan]

Could we let Nasri go to United and bring in Hazard instead? I know who i'd rather have....................

I think a big part of the reason Hazard changed his mind about coming to us is that we already have three similar players all vying for the same places that he wants to occupy: Tevez, Nasri and Silva. I think Hazard would probably be better than Tevez and certainly better than Nasri.

Also, Mancini doesnt play wingers which is why AJ and Milner cant get a game. Hazard will be aware of this.

Chelsea and United both have 'vacancies' for that role - which is why he's attracted there, and it could see both clubs changing their respective formations to match ours i.e. 4-2-3-1 and why both have been trying to get the inferior Modric on board too.

You could see Ferguson switching to a 4-2-3-1? Along with Chelseas unnamed tacticless manager?

Doubtful. I don't think people realize how much the media is playin into Hazards mind games. We often blame agents and players for stroking the flames but this would be a lot easier if the fans just took the player for his word. It's not like Hazard dispelling his every notion to the media, and if he did it's not like his agents would be truthful.

It seems smart to me for a player to say hes going to United to grab more money from City's grasp. It also seems smart to include a tertiary buyer so the clubs know if thy both stand firm neither will get him.

Just wait and see. No matter where he goes he will get 35 total games at least in his preferred position. He will play in whatever free role best suits him as Nasri/Silva and even Milner have in the past.

Yes, that's a fair point about them changing their formations - but they haven't had the personnel to do it in the past, plus the 4-2-3-1 formation is proving to be the best.
Strangely, it was a formation invented, i believe, by Brazil.
Perhaps Fergie now thinks wingers makes his side too vulnerable? Certainly, the excellent performance of Young in that role worked for England last night.

I'm not sure about the agents 'trying it on' by offering their man to the highest bidder either - a very risky game to play IF he, hazard, had already made up his mind which he wanted to pick.

It may also come down to Manager's - or lack of them. Given that Chelsea don't have one and United probably wont after next Season. That sort of impending insecurity would play on a youngster's mind too I suppose.

Our apparent interest in Hazard and Kagawa would indicate that we're changing formation next season. Most likely for big games and in Europe, can still see 4-4-2 being used at OT against weaker sides.

 

[EalingBlue2]

L'equipe saying City have pulled out and he us likely going to Chelsea! I suspect it could be true as we are big on signing the right personalities and have a strong no dickheads policy.

 

[Rammyblues]

How can Chelsea guarantee him his preferred starting place in the team without a manager being appointed, unless of course Roman is picking the team?

 

[tilbz]

Tolmie has posted on the quiet thread to keep the faith on hazard,rvp and javi Martinez so I will keep the faith

 

[leewill31]

L'equipe saying City have pulled out and he us likely going to Chelsea! I suspect it could be true as we are big on signing the right personalities and have a strong no dickheads policy.

at what point has he came across as a dickhead because ive either missed the fact or people are calling him this because he has given no answer as to who he will be signing for???