Edin Dzeko (contract update page 370)

[Matty]

Re: Edin Dzeko legend

As opposed to calling our best striker so far this season, shit?

How exactly is Dzeko our "best striker this season"? Goals scored? He's got 7, the same number as both Tevez and Aguero (and Aguero missed a month through injury). General match performances? He's consistently only been affective when introduced as a late substitute, his (admittedly limited) starts have mainly resulted in below par displays. Tevez and Aguero, whilst not perfect, have been generally more consistent. Link up play/assists? Again, whilst I don't have the figures to hand, I'd doubt he'd been integral to more goals this season (as an assister rather than scorer) than Aguero or Tevez.

Dzeko hasn't been shit (although he has been below par/not good enough on a fair few occasions), but to describe him as "our best striker so far this season..." is just demonstratively incorrect.

for the amount of time Kun/teves have been playing together this season it is fair to say dzeko is the most clinical striker. Kun hogged/missed many open shots that where dead on goals ironically it was the kun dzeko passing which led to the penalty. This myth that kun and tevez are interlinked and are passing the ball between each other is false they hardly ever pass it around. the clear on goal chance that kun miss controlled in front of the Madrid keeper he could have easily passed it to dzeko but he wanted to take it and score but failed badly.

That's ignoring the circumstances. Dzeko has been used mainly as a substitute, and an impact one at that. When he's entered the field we've been playing in an entirely different way to when the game started. In most instances he's been introduced when we've NEEDED a goal, not just when we'd quite like one. Has his finishing been more clinical? Probably yes as he's scored the same number of goals from less opportunities, however he's been up against opponents with 80+ minutes in their legs compared to less than 10 minutes for Dzeko, you'd expect him to work an opportunity and have a decent crack at scoring it with a little more ease than earlier in the game when everyone is fresher.

This is also ignoring the fact that you don't just need/want goals from a striker. You want all around skills. City play a certain way, this way suits the skillsets of both Tevez and Aguero, and to a lesser extent Balotelli. It doesn't suit Dzeko nearly as well. In fact it plays to some of his weaknesses rather than strengths. Speed of thought, first touch and passing ability would not be high on my list of Dzeko's attributes, yet all are required to play upfront in our standard 4-2-3-1 formation. Later in games, especially if we're chasing the game (which is the norm if Dzeko is chosen as the late addition to the playing staff) those tactics have changed, we play more direct, getting the ball into the box with greater regularity. This suits Dzeko far more, he can use his height and strength to get into position to take a chance.

 

[BosnianDiamond]

Re: Edin Dzeko legend

I can't defend him today, except for the assist for the penalty, he looked lost on the pitch. See, Bosnians can be objective ;)

 

[sonnymancity]

Re: Edin Dzeko legend

the opinions of some people baffle me. As a team you usually expect to score more than one goal per game. You also need to retain possession to create chances and prevent the other team from having opportunities to score. AS A TOP CLASS STRIKER YOU CANNOT SIMPLY EXPECT TO SCORE EVERY OTHER GAME! YOU NEED TO OFFER MORE THAN THAT! You need give assists, be involved in build up play, close down, retain possession etc etc. Dzeko does little of this. He consistently loses possession, his movement is minimal over 90 minutes, average work rate and offers no intelligent passing. Its fine to score 1 in 2 if you Darren Bent for Villa, Holt for Norwich or even Defoe for Spurs. But to be a top class striker in a top class team, you need to offer more. Every time Tevez or Aguero get the ball I feel as if SOMETHING could happen whether it be a goal or a creative pass. That why they should play over Dzeko. He says his 'goals should do the talking' but you cant be shite for 90 mins but score every other game an expect to play, especially in europe. Thats why Owen, Bent etc never succeeded at a world class club.

Grafting and Getting stuck in did absolutely fuk all for kun/tevez last night it was ironically when the ball got pinned in to the top of the box dzeko passed it to kun is where he score the pen. tell me this Does zlatan or inzagi (old milan striker). run around graft get stuck in.. ? they are prolly the laziest players ever ( inzagi living off side cuz he cba getting back onside). but he puts the ball away in the box like dzeko. we did nothing of that. 2 free kicks we decided to pass the ball back and restart the attack formation. why on gods green earth would u do that when u have yaya toure , dezeko, and kompany ? and when we passed those balls back it got us nowhere. and one more thing didnt dzeko provide the assist last night ?

Despite struggling to understand your version of the english language, i think I see what your getting at. But my point isnt that i want Dzeko to graft or get 'stuck in'. European football and prem football is about retaining possession, controlling a game and being creative. Aguero and Tevez do this whenever they have possession of the ball and are always a threat as they can create for others, make key passes, retain the ball under pressure, as well as score goals. Dzeko does score goals from open play, but he is only a persistent threat from set plays. Unless we have a set play or the ball is put in a position for him to score by somebody else (usually silva) hes is often useless. He plays no other part in the game other than to finish. I want more from a striker in a wold class team. I want them to play a part in build up play, assists and just generally throughout the game with short passing and control rather than it just bouncing if Dzeko's feet. Of course there are exceptions such as his assist for the penalty last night but in general he is a finisher and only a finisher. If thats what we want then Darren Bent is just as good.

Unfortunately it seems you have to choose what type of player you like. A small, quick, creative, agile player with a low centre of gravity that has a good first touch and good close control but shit in the air and not the best finisher (sliva, aguero, tevez) or a big, strong, slow, finisher who's good in the air but has shit first touch and ball control. Thats why Ronaldo is one of the best players as he has it all and why balotelli could be awesome as he has it all. I know i would rather build a Barca style team made of smaller players that may frustrate like Arsenal have done by not crossing or being very direct, but play stylish football and can pass teams to death.

 

[pominoz]

Re: Edin Dzeko legend

How exactly is Dzeko our "best striker this season"? Goals scored? He's got 7, the same number as both Tevez and Aguero (and Aguero missed a month through injury). General match performances? He's consistently only been affective when introduced as a late substitute, his (admittedly limited) starts have mainly resulted in below par displays. Tevez and Aguero, whilst not perfect, have been generally more consistent. Link up play/assists? Again, whilst I don't have the figures to hand, I'd doubt he'd been integral to more goals this season (as an assister rather than scorer) than Aguero or Tevez.

Dzeko hasn't been shit (although he has been below par/not good enough on a fair few occasions), but to describe him as "our best striker so far this season..." is just demonstratively incorrect.

for the amount of time Kun/teves have been playing together this season it is fair to say dzeko is the most clinical striker. Kun hogged/missed many open shots that where dead on goals ironically it was the kun dzeko passing which led to the penalty. This myth that kun and tevez are interlinked and are passing the ball between each other is false they hardly ever pass it around. the clear on goal chance that kun miss controlled in front of the Madrid keeper he could have easily passed it to dzeko but he wanted to take it and score but failed badly.

That's ignoring the circumstances. Dzeko has been used mainly as a substitute, and an impact one at that. When he's entered the field we've been playing in an entirely different way to when the game started. In most instances he's been introduced when we've NEEDED a goal, not just when we'd quite like one. Has his finishing been more clinical? Probably yes as he's scored the same number of goals from less opportunities, however he's been up against opponents with 80+ minutes in their legs compared to less than 10 minutes for Dzeko, you'd expect him to work an opportunity and have a decent crack at scoring it with a little more ease than earlier in the game when everyone is fresher.

This is also ignoring the fact that you don't just need/want goals from a striker. You want all around skills. City play a certain way, this way suits the skillsets of both Tevez and Aguero, and to a lesser extent Balotelli. It doesn't suit Dzeko nearly as well. In fact it plays to some of his weaknesses rather than strengths. Speed of thought, first touch and passing ability would not be high on my list of Dzeko's attributes, yet all are required to play upfront in our standard 4-2-3-1 formation. Later in games, especially if we're chasing the game (which is the norm if Dzeko is chosen as the late addition to the playing staff) those tactics have changed, we play more direct, getting the ball into the box with greater regularity. This suits Dzeko far more, he can use his height and strength to get into position to take a chance.

Spot fucking on :)<br /><br />-- Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:30 pm --<br /><br />

I can't defend him today, except for the assist for the penalty, he looked lost on the pitch. See, Bosnians can be objective ;)

Nice to see.

 

[sonnymancity]

Re: Edin Dzeko legend

for the amount of time Kun/teves have been playing together this season it is fair to say dzeko is the most clinical striker. Kun hogged/missed many open shots that where dead on goals ironically it was the kun dzeko passing which led to the penalty. This myth that kun and tevez are interlinked and are passing the ball between each other is false they hardly ever pass it around. the clear on goal chance that kun miss controlled in front of the Madrid keeper he could have easily passed it to dzeko but he wanted to take it and score but failed badly.

That's ignoring the circumstances. Dzeko has been used mainly as a substitute, and an impact one at that. When he's entered the field we've been playing in an entirely different way to when the game started. In most instances he's been introduced when we've NEEDED a goal, not just when we'd quite like one. Has his finishing been more clinical? Probably yes as he's scored the same number of goals from less opportunities, however he's been up against opponents with 80+ minutes in their legs compared to less than 10 minutes for Dzeko, you'd expect him to work an opportunity and have a decent crack at scoring it with a little more ease than earlier in the game when everyone is fresher.

This is also ignoring the fact that you don't just need/want goals from a striker. You want all around skills. City play a certain way, this way suits the skillsets of both Tevez and Aguero, and to a lesser extent Balotelli. It doesn't suit Dzeko nearly as well. In fact it plays to some of his weaknesses rather than strengths. Speed of thought, first touch and passing ability would not be high on my list of Dzeko's attributes, yet all are required to play upfront in our standard 4-2-3-1 formation. Later in games, especially if we're chasing the game (which is the norm if Dzeko is chosen as the late addition to the playing staff) those tactics have changed, we play more direct, getting the ball into the box with greater regularity. This suits Dzeko far more, he can use his height and strength to get into position to take a chance.

Spot fucking on :)

Exactly the point I am also trying to make to these peolple who look at their stats and consider being a 'football man' as one who watches MOTD every week.

 

[pominoz]

Re: Edin Dzeko legend

That's ignoring the circumstances. Dzeko has been used mainly as a substitute, and an impact one at that. When he's entered the field we've been playing in an entirely different way to when the game started. In most instances he's been introduced when we've NEEDED a goal, not just when we'd quite like one. Has his finishing been more clinical? Probably yes as he's scored the same number of goals from less opportunities, however he's been up against opponents with 80+ minutes in their legs compared to less than 10 minutes for Dzeko, you'd expect him to work an opportunity and have a decent crack at scoring it with a little more ease than earlier in the game when everyone is fresher.

This is also ignoring the fact that you don't just need/want goals from a striker. You want all around skills. City play a certain way, this way suits the skillsets of both Tevez and Aguero, and to a lesser extent Balotelli. It doesn't suit Dzeko nearly as well. In fact it plays to some of his weaknesses rather than strengths. Speed of thought, first touch and passing ability would not be high on my list of Dzeko's attributes, yet all are required to play upfront in our standard 4-2-3-1 formation. Later in games, especially if we're chasing the game (which is the norm if Dzeko is chosen as the late addition to the playing staff) those tactics have changed, we play more direct, getting the ball into the box with greater regularity. This suits Dzeko far more, he can use his height and strength to get into position to take a chance.

Spot fucking on :)

Exactly the point I am also trying to make to these peolple who look at their stats and consider being a 'football man' as one who watches MOTD every week.

Just read what you posted on the last page and you are 100% right, but the "fanboys" will blame everyone else and it is because we do not play him enough, it's the way they think and it will not change.
The good thing about it is when their hero goes, so will they.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Re: Edin Dzeko legend

I can't defend him today, except for the assist for the penalty, he looked lost on the pitch. See, Bosnians can be objective ;)

I genuinely think this is a huge step forward for your opinions to be taken seriously. Dzeko has been outstanding off the bench this season, one of our best players. But the way he played against Madrid, that's what I see from him time and time again when he starts. I'd even say last night wasn't one of his worst performances this season when he's played from the start, but he was still poor.

 

[Quinny851]

Re: Edin Dzeko legend

When a professional football can't control and simple pass and lay it on then I'm afraid there's no excuse.

Not only does Dzeko fail to have this ability, he also very rarely wins a header cos he's to busy looking at where the centre half is instead of the ball.

He's got no pace, there's no urgency to his game.

To refer to him as a legend is quite frankly fucking laughable. He's yet to prove to me that he's a professional footballer, never mind a £27m world class striker.

Absolutely fucking dogshit

 

[MSP]

Re: Edin Dzeko legend

He was ultimate crap last night. Can't hold the ball for life of him. Gets pushed of it like a girl and he's big man.

He's classy finisher when he gets the ball in space and/or from crosses but he is rarely able to be a part of the building game these days.

My fellow Bosnians will say it's Mancini's fault but f**k that, as Mancini would say - if you're top player, than you should not have those problems.

And I'm afraid Dzeko is currently limited striker and can be used in limited game styles. And City's most used one is definitely not one of them.

 

[Comrade Buka]

Re: Edin Dzeko legend

I am a fan, but he was crap yesterday. Apart from the flick leading up to the penalty, he didn't do much right. On the other hand, not many did.