Edin Dzeko (contract update page 370)

[Matty]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Lewandowski has a 150 minutes per goal ratio. While Dzeko has a 135 (or 136) minutes per goal (same in Wolfsburg as in City).

It's like I'm banging my head into a brick wall with this thread, it really is. I don't know how many times I can say that, despite goals being the most important thing you want from a striker, they aren't the only thing that you want from them.

Lets just say I agree with your stats, what you're saying is that it takes Lewandowski and extra 15 minutes to score a goal that Dzeko. That's not a huge difference if we're being honest. Does that difference equate to being more or less important than Lewandowski's other skills, skills that he possesses that Dzeko does not?

Dzeko is, possibly, a marginally better goalscorer than Lewandowski, not a huge differenece, but a slight one.

Lewandowski is a better footballer than Dzeko, when it comes to all aspects of his game, passing, movement, control, pace etc.

Or you can put it like this:

Lewandowski is, possibly, a marginally better overall player than Dzeko, not a huge difference, but a slight one.

Dzeko is better than Lewandowski, when it comes to scoring goals.

Since the goals are the most important thing you want from a striker than Dzeko > Lewandowski

You could put it like that, but you'd be wrong.

I said Lewandowski is a better footballer than Dzeko when it comes to passing, movement, control, pace etc. That doesn't make you marginally better, or slightly better, it makes you better by a decent amount. By a noticeable amount.

On the goal scoring front Dzeko is indeed better, but not by a huge margin, by a fairly narrow margin.

If Lewandowski was a better goalscorer, but Dzeko was quicker and had better passing I have no doubt you'd come to the conclusion that goals are overrated and it's overall play that's better, and still come to the conclusion that Dzeko > Lewandowski. As such there really is no point in discussing these things with you.

 

[pudge]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Lewandowski has a 150 minutes per goal ratio. While Dzeko has a 135 (or 136) minutes per goal (same in Wolfsburg as in City).

It's like I'm banging my head into a brick wall with this thread, it really is. I don't know how many times I can say that, despite goals being the most important thing you want from a striker, they aren't the only thing that you want from them.

Lets just say I agree with your stats, what you're saying is that it takes Lewandowski and extra 15 minutes to score a goal that Dzeko. That's not a huge difference if we're being honest. Does that difference equate to being more or less important than Lewandowski's other skills, skills that he possesses that Dzeko does not?

Dzeko is, possibly, a marginally better goalscorer than Lewandowski, not a huge differenece, but a slight one.

Lewandowski is a better footballer than Dzeko, when it comes to all aspects of his game, passing, movement, control, pace etc.

Or you can put it like this:

Lewandowski is, possibly, a marginally better overall player than Dzeko, not a huge difference, but a slight one.

Dzeko is better than Lewandowski, when it comes to scoring goals.

Since the goals are the most important thing you want from a striker than Dzeko > Lewandowski

Again, the initial post regarding Lewandowksi was not a comment from the poster as to who was better; yourself and others have turned it into that debate.

However, yet again, as it's obviously important to yourself then you should at least offer some substance to what, as it stands, is your opinion.

Dzeko has scored a total of 178 goals in 397 games; averaging a goal every 2.2 games
Lewandowski has scored a total of 165 goals in 301 games; averaging a goal every 1.8 games

Furthermore, as has silently been acknowledged by the poster who incorrectly gave goals per minutes records, Lewandowski has proved more efficient in that regard.

The debate is not at all relevant but if you're going to insist on it at least be correct, or try and back up your assertions.

 

[noise]

Re: Edin Dzeko

It's like I'm banging my head into a brick wall with this thread, it really is. I don't know how many times I can say that, despite goals being the most important thing you want from a striker, they aren't the only thing that you want from them.

Lets just say I agree with your stats, what you're saying is that it takes Lewandowski and extra 15 minutes to score a goal that Dzeko. That's not a huge difference if we're being honest. Does that difference equate to being more or less important than Lewandowski's other skills, skills that he possesses that Dzeko does not?

Dzeko is, possibly, a marginally better goalscorer than Lewandowski, not a huge differenece, but a slight one.

Lewandowski is a better footballer than Dzeko, when it comes to all aspects of his game, passing, movement, control, pace etc.

Or you can put it like this:

Lewandowski is, possibly, a marginally better overall player than Dzeko, not a huge difference, but a slight one.

Dzeko is better than Lewandowski, when it comes to scoring goals.

Since the goals are the most important thing you want from a striker than Dzeko > Lewandowski

Dzeko has scored a total of 178 goals in 397 games; averaging a goal every 2.2 games
Lewandowski has scored a total of 165 goals in 301 games; averaging a goal every 1.8 games

Really? I thought we established that when you compare a player who gets regular starts vs a player who's a 3rd choice striker (for the majority of his career at City). Performance/goals per appearance is the most unfavorable way to look at his contribution. Scoring a goal in 15 minutes on the pitch is not the same as scoring a goal in 90 minutes on the pitch.

And this is my issue with Dzeko doubters posting here. Every single time his contribution is looked at in the least favorable way. It's like the situation was opposite and Lewa was a City player and Dzeko played for the rags.

 

[pudge]

Re: Edin Dzeko

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Or you can put it like this:

Lewandowski is, possibly, a marginally better overall player than Dzeko, not a huge difference, but a slight one.

Dzeko is better than Lewandowski, when it comes to scoring goals.

Since the goals are the most important thing you want from a striker than Dzeko > Lewandowski

Dzeko has scored a total of 178 goals in 397 games; averaging a goal every 2.2 games
Lewandowski has scored a total of 165 goals in 301 games; averaging a goal every 1.8 games

Really? I thought we established that when you compare a player who gets regular starts vs a player who's a 3rd choice striker (for the majority of his career at City). Performance/goals per appearance is the most unfavorable way to look at his contribution. Scoring a goal in 15 minutes on the pitch is not the same as scoring a goal in 90 minutes on the pitch.

And this is my issue with Dzeko doubters posting here. Every single time his contribution is looked at in the least favorable way. It's like the situation was opposite and Lewa was a City player and Dzeko played for the rags.

Which is why I also included a reference to the goals per minute statistics we had already established.

You conveniently decided not to quote that part of the post but rather just 2 sentences, which is arguably the issue with "fanboys" for lack of a better term; twisting the actual facts.

Already we've had about 4 inaccurate statements which were presented to promote Dzeko above another player. The Lewandoski comparison is irrelevant, however, yourself and others have presented false "facts" to try and highlight Dzeko over Lewandowski; all I'm simply doing is saying if you want to directly compare them, get it right.

Dzeko was twice Bundesliga top scorer with 26 and 22 goals scored

Wrong

Dzeko has won Bundesliga player of of the year award, Lewandowski never did.

Wrong

Lewandowski has a 150 minutes per goal ratio. While Dzeko has a 135 (or 136) minutes per goal (same in Wolfsburg as in City).

Wrong

A blast from the past;

He was also two times Bundesliga player of the year

Wrong

It's wrong to belittle his contribution, however, it's as wrong to lie about it in an attempt to promote it.

 

[BlueTG]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Lewandowski is completely irrelevant.

Just going to throw this out there one last time.

 

[wagonman]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Try this...

Shut up about Lewandowski...

No one cares about him....

JJ

 

[pudge]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Lewandowski is completely irrelevant.

Just going to throw this out there one last time.

Regardless, not that it's overly relevant...

Not that it's all that relevant.

The Lewandoski comparison is irrelevant, however, yourself and others have presented false "facts" to try and highlight Dzeko over Lewandowski; all I'm simply doing is saying if you want to directly compare them, get it right.

 

[Puppet Master Silva]

Re: Edin Dzeko

noise, I've seen Pudge prove you to be outright lying and wrong a few times, and every time he does it you have no response or even an admission of the fact that you are exactly that, wrong. There shouldn't even be a debate ongoing over who is better between Dzeko and Lewandowski, because it's not important and everyone who's ever watched football knows it's Lewan.

You say that there are "Dzeko doubters" or Dzeko haters" depending on your frame of mind, but what you fail to actually see is that unlike you, a lot of us are impartial City fans discussing our forward. You're obsessed with Dzeko and can't stand any criticism of him or people saying there are better strikers out there. Maybe you should join a Bosnian forum where you can all rejoice and tell each other how great he is and how if he played for Barca he'd score as many as Messi? We'll continue to discuss him here and whilst we know he's a world class forward, we also know he has faults that it's not too late to iron out of his game.

 

[noise]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Lewandowski has a 150 minutes per goal ratio. While Dzeko has a 135 (or 136) minutes per goal (same in Wolfsburg as in City).

Wrong

pretty sure I provided sources o.0

 

[noise]

Re: Edin Dzeko

noise, I've seen Pudge prove you to be outright lying and wrong a few times, and every time he does it you have no response or even an admission of the fact that you are exactly that, wrong. There shouldn't even be a debate ongoing over who is better between Dzeko and Lewandowski, because it's not important and everyone who's ever watched football knows it's Lewan.

You say that there are "Dzeko doubters" or Dzeko haters" depending on your frame of mind, but what you fail to actually see is that unlike you, a lot of us are impartial City fans discussing our forward. You're obsessed with Dzeko and can't stand any criticism of him or people saying there are better strikers out there. Maybe you should join a Bosnian forum where you can all rejoice and tell each other how great he is and how if he played for Barca he'd score as many as Messi? We'll continue to discuss him here and whilst we know he's a world class forward, we also know he has faults that it's not too late to iron out of his game.

I have been wrong on a few occasions, like everyone else (and all of that comes from bad sources or bad memory). And I owned up to those. But I have also been right about the most important thing. Dzeko's contribution is immense when given consistent starts, which he proved in the 2nd part of the previous season by his contribution in important goals which won us the title.