Edin Dzeko (contract update page 370)

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When he plays a bad game or doesn't score, he is made a target. He played well in comparison to some player so give the guy a chance. We have to be on his back ever ytime he doesn't score. He is a City player and I will support him as long as he gives his all on the pitch.
 
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jsteward said:
Shaelumstash said:
jsteward said:
Uh?

The problem is not up front. If anything, the team has more than enough attaking players.

The problem is in the middle. The team needs a destroyer to support the runs by Barry, Milner or Toure. Javi is not it.

I agree, the problem against Ajax was the midfield. However, this is a Dzeko thread, and the point I'm making is that in general the games he starts in, the team often doesn't play as well as the games he doesn't. Also most of Dzeko's best performances come from off the bench.

"Uh?" again if you want and I'll explain it again
You were blaming the defeat on him.

That's not it. Even with 6 attackers, the team didn't manage to produce anything solid up front.

I'm no Dzeko fan, and I admit easily that in other occasions he carried some blame, but not this time.

The big difference in Europe is that teams play more variegated styles. And the problem here is that when we attack, we're left far too exposed. So we're going punch-for-punch even against mediocre opposition.

That's a textbook midfield issue. The problem in Europe has been, and continues to be, the midfield.

No. You fucking numb ****, I wasn't blaming the defeat on him. In fact I've specifically made the point 5 separate times in this thread that I am not blaming last nights defeat on him.

Either argue with me about what I've actually said, or fuck off. Don't put words in my mouth
 
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Shaelumstash said:
Shaelumstash said:
santasa said:
This is mind-boggling, humongously ridiculous claim !

If nothing else, tell me what exactly Tevez-Aguero did good this season so far ???

What do you think Tevez-Aguer could do vs. Ajax, considering horrible midfield and even worst
defence in Amsterdam ?

Since you, unlike some other posters, have a clue about the game, please tell me what exactly these two did in the season so far, and what would happened with City without unfitting Edin (minus 10 points from Edin performance) ???

And, as you claim when he starts we rarely play good, how is then possible that almost every game he has to be brought in to rescue that "well composed" and "well performed" team in the first place ?!

Dear, dear...

How is it a ridiculous claim? Every City fan I know rates Tevez and Aguero as our best front two, even the ones who love Dzeko.

For the record, I rate Dzeko, I thought against West Brom he was absolutely unstoppable. I just think our intricate style of play is better suited to Tev and Kun, that is nothing against Dzeko
And if I recall correctly, hasn't he scored 5 of his 6 coming on as a late sub? Off the top of my head our two worst team performances this season, and possibly the whole of Mancini's reign were last night and Dortmund at home. Both games Dzeko started. I'm not saying it's all his fault. Maybe it's coincidence?

Hahah do you even know what you are talkin about ?
AccOrding to you the team is playin such great football without Dzeko but somehow
We are behind or tied before Dzeko comes as a sub. Your logic is something else.
And when Dzeko starts somehow we are having a stinker,nevermind the other 9players who
Are playing on the same field. One player fucks it all up!!

Please amuse me with some more of you great logical analysis.
 
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adorado30 said:
Shaelumstash said:
Shaelumstash said:
How is it a ridiculous claim? Every City fan I know rates Tevez and Aguero as our best front two, even the ones who love Dzeko.

For the record, I rate Dzeko, I thought against West Brom he was absolutely unstoppable. I just think our intricate style of play is better suited to Tev and Kun, that is nothing against Dzeko
And if I recall correctly, hasn't he scored 5 of his 6 coming on as a late sub? Off the top of my head our two worst team performances this season, and possibly the whole of Mancini's reign were last night and Dortmund at home. Both games Dzeko started. I'm not saying it's all his fault. Maybe it's coincidence?

Hahah do you even know what you are talkin about ?
AccOrding to you the team is playin such great football without Dzeko but somehow
We are behind or tied before Dzeko comes as a sub. Your logic is something else.
And when Dzeko starts somehow we are having a stinker,nevermind the other 9players who
Are playing on the same field. One player fucks it all up!!

Please amuse me with some more of you great logical analysis.

I can only refer you to my post above. You're either thick as fuck or on a wind up
 
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I've got to the point where I just want Dzeko to go now just so he can shut up these clueless fuckers and bang in goals for fun at another club. Poor guy doesn't deserve the shit spouted about him by the "fans" that are meant to be supporting every player who wears that shirt.
 
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Armaan said:
I've got to the point where I just want Dzeko to go now just so he can shut up these clueless fuckers and bang in goals for fun at another club. Poor guy doesn't deserve the shit spouted about him by the "fans" that are meant to be supporting every player who wears that shirt.
I agree, absolutely !
Chelsea could be that club, Your wish could soon come through - he could go to Chelsea in a deal where Chelsea will handover Falcao to City only if Mancini allow Chelsea to acquire Dzeko !
Hm, what about that ?
In my humble opinion, that deal if goes through will surely mean that Chelsea will take a title and City... well who knows... maybe Falcao start finding the net with hat-trick in every game and defend title for City all by himself... or becomes Santa Cruz or Torres of Chelsea kind ....
 
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Armaan said:
I've got to the point where I just want Dzeko to go now just so he can shut up these clueless fuckers and bang in goals for fun at another club. Poor guy doesn't deserve the shit spouted about him by the "fans" that are meant to be supporting every player who wears that shirt.
This is how I sometimes feel as well. Any team would love having Dzeko. He's a great striker, very intelligent, gets along great with other players, is humble doesn't seem to have ego issues, which is rare for top strikers. Yet even being the top scorer on the team this season he's the least favored to be given a chance to be on the starting 11 by some "fans".

Can you imagine if Dzeko actually didn't score as crazy freaking often as he does? Even against Ajax, he played well. He ran a ton, he was our most threatening striker. He had a few very good chances that could have turned it around, like he occasionally does. But no apparently, the whole team dynamic changes when he's on the bench.

This is what De Boer said about our squad: "De Boer added: "There are always moments in games when Mario Balotelli, Sergio Aguero and Samir Nasri go to sleep. They do not chase the full-back, as they do not believe it is necessary."

You have to play football to be in form. Especially if you're a confidence striker like Dzeko.

This is a self correcting problem though. Keep Dzeko on the bench. This leaves him no other option but to look for another team where he can be on a starting 11 again.
 
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Hilarious that last week everyone was saying "Oh my god, he did it, he saved us! He's a hero!"

And then when we lose 3-1 against Ajax, "He shouldn't ever start a game..."

You guys are hilarious.

I didn't know that Edin was the manager? Or wait; was he playing CB? I mean surely somehow he had some impact on why City conceded 3 goals from a team sporting 7 academy graduates.

Oh that's right it's because everyone has him labelled 'super-sub'. Get over yourselves. Sometimes I wish Edin would leave to a team with a better fan-base. But then again I love his late heroics and reading how people praise him non-stop only to say the next defeat that he should "Never start" only for him to go on and repeat the process. Quite amusing.
 
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Shaelumstash said:
jsteward said:
Uh?

The problem is not up front. If anything, the team has more than enough attaking players.

The problem is in the middle. The team needs a destroyer to support the runs by Barry, Milner or Toure. Javi is not it.

I agree, the problem against Ajax was the midfield. However, this is a Dzeko thread, and the point I'm making is that in general the games he starts in, the team often doesn't play as well as the games he doesn't. Also most of Dzeko's best performances come from off the bench.

"Uh?" again if you want and I'll explain it again

You're not blaming Dzeko for the defeat but you did claim that the team is better when he doesn't start and you used this one example to prove your point (this season, even though he didn't get a run of games last season either). I'm not sure how many games Dzeko has started this season in total, but I know it hasn't been many so to judge the performance of the team with Dzeko starting based on such a small sample of games seems harsh.

Dzeko being in the team should not have affected the poor defending or the poor midfield as much as some people claim it did. So to judge the overall performance of the team (which includes defending and midfield play) based on Dzeko starting seems invalid.

That is all, Thanks.
 
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Shaelumstash said:
jsteward said:
Shaelumstash said:
I agree, the problem against Ajax was the midfield. However, this is a Dzeko thread, and the point I'm making is that in general the games he starts in, the team often doesn't play as well as the games he doesn't. Also most of Dzeko's best performances come from off the bench.

"Uh?" again if you want and I'll explain it again
You were blaming the defeat on him.

That's not it. Even with 6 attackers, the team didn't manage to produce anything solid up front.

I'm no Dzeko fan, and I admit easily that in other occasions he carried some blame, but not this time.

The big difference in Europe is that teams play more variegated styles. And the problem here is that when we attack, we're left far too exposed. So we're going punch-for-punch even against mediocre opposition.

That's a textbook midfield issue. The problem in Europe has been, and continues to be, the midfield.

No. You fucking numb ****, I wasn't blaming the defeat on him. In fact I've specifically made the point 5 separate times in this thread that I am not blaming last nights defeat on him.

Either argue with me about what I've actually said, or fuck off. Don't put words in my mouth

There are no need for insults directed at jsteward, that's my first point.
Secondly, you sounds really confused. No one inputting anything to you, just because you never said Dzeko sucks doesn't mean that your point isn't exactly that - everyone will tell you that your posts, although indirectly, blaming Dzeko for bad performance of entire team.

And your logic is really extremely silly - no offence, please-please-please !
And yes it's mind-boggling claim because you are unable to say what exactly Tevez-Aguero did good this season so far ???
What could they do vs. Ajax, considering horrible midfield and even worst defence in Amsterdam ?
What exactly these two did in this season so far, and what would happened with City without unfitting Edin (minus 10 points from Edin performance) ?
Which lead us to crucial question - you claim when ever he started we played horrible, NOW, how is then possible that almost every game when he was on bench, we played "so great" that he has to be brought in to rescue that "well composed" and "well performed" team in the first place ?!

[[If we honestly and truly try to judge individual players of top level, we should have to admit that, bottom line, Aguero is not better then Tevez isn't better then Dzeko, Dzeko isn't better then Mario, Mario is not better then Ibra, Ibra then Messi, Messi then Ronaldo, Ronaldo then RVP, etc, etc.
They can only be more or less successful, more in-form or less in-form, as long as they all play on same, top level of professional football... everything else is just marketing and media smokescreen - Really, who is better Ronaldo with 45 goals or Messi with 46 goal, or maybe Rooney with 48, or Drogba with 20 goals and CL title, etc. !!!
]]
 
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Armaan said:
I've got to the point where I just want Dzeko to go now just so he can shut up these clueless fuckers and bang in goals for fun at another club. Poor guy doesn't deserve the shit spouted about him by the "fans" that are meant to be supporting every player who wears that shirt.

It's got to the point where I just want you to go now. This is a City forum, I don't really give a flying fuck how players get on when they leave the club. You and a lot of other obsessives are only arsed how Dzeko gets on and don't really care either way what happens to City.

Well I've been supporting City long before Dzeko was here, and will be supporting them long after Dzeko has gone. I'd like him to stay and do well, but fuck me, the obsession of some posters on here is bordering on creepy and weird.

Again, to all the obsessives that just cannot begin to fathom my opinion, I will make it very simple for you. Over the two years Dzeko has been here, the best performances I have seen from him have, in the main, come from the bench.

It is not his fault, but in my opinion the team doesn't look as fluid when he starts, and he often looks complacent and his drive and workrate is nowhere near the same level as when he comes off the bench.

I am not some crazy deluded psycho for thinking this, every single City fan I know who have been going to the games for 25 years think Tevez and Aguero are better, and would start them.

It's nothing to do with "marketing" or whatever the last poster was on about, they're just miles better footballers. Sorry to break it to you. Oh, while we're at it, sorry to say there's no Santa Claus either.
 
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Shaelumstash said:
Armaan said:
I've got to the point where I just want Dzeko to go now just so he can shut up these clueless fuckers and bang in goals for fun at another club. Poor guy doesn't deserve the shit spouted about him by the "fans" that are meant to be supporting every player who wears that shirt.

It's got to the point where I just want you to go now. This is a City forum, I don't really give a flying fuck how players get on when they leave the club. You and a lot of other obsessives are only arsed how Dzeko gets on and don't really care either way what happens to City.

Well I've been supporting City long before Dzeko was here, and will be supporting them long after Dzeko has gone. I'd like him to stay and do well, but fuck me, the obsession of some posters on here is bordering on creepy and weird.

Again, to all the obsessives that just cannot begin to fathom my opinion, I will make it very simple for you. Over the two years Dzeko has been here, the best performances I have seen from him have, in the main, come from the bench.

It is not his fault, but in my opinion the team doesn't look as fluid when he starts, and he often looks complacent and his drive and workrate is nowhere near the same level as when he comes off the bench.

I am not some crazy deluded psycho for thinking this, every single City fan I know who have been going to the games for 25 years think Tevez and Aguero are better, and would start them.

It's nothing to do with "marketing" or whatever the last poster was on about, they're just miles better footballers. Sorry to break it to you. Oh, while we're at it, sorry to say there's no Santa Claus either.
First off you probably think I'm just a bosnian Dzeko fan, I'm not. I've been a blue for 20 years, I'm just sick of the abuse he gets and hope well for him. He's a totally different playe to Tevez and Dzeko, just because they'll play in strike doesn't mean they have the same role in the team. I'm a season ticket holder too and for the past two years I've just been hearing an annoying cow behind me say "fucking Dzeko is so shit why do we even have him" and it's annoyed me so much now coz he's a decent nice guy as well.
 
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Armaan said:
Shaelumstash said:
Armaan said:
I've got to the point where I just want Dzeko to go now just so he can shut up these clueless fuckers and bang in goals for fun at another club. Poor guy doesn't deserve the shit spouted about him by the "fans" that are meant to be supporting every player who wears that shirt.

It's got to the point where I just want you to go now. This is a City forum, I don't really give a flying fuck how players get on when they leave the club. You and a lot of other obsessives are only arsed how Dzeko gets on and don't really care either way what happens to City.

Well I've been supporting City long before Dzeko was here, and will be supporting them long after Dzeko has gone. I'd like him to stay and do well, but fuck me, the obsession of some posters on here is bordering on creepy and weird.

Again, to all the obsessives that just cannot begin to fathom my opinion, I will make it very simple for you. Over the two years Dzeko has been here, the best performances I have seen from him have, in the main, come from the bench.

It is not his fault, but in my opinion the team doesn't look as fluid when he starts, and he often looks complacent and his drive and workrate is nowhere near the same level as when he comes off the bench.

I am not some crazy deluded psycho for thinking this, every single City fan I know who have been going to the games for 25 years think Tevez and Aguero are better, and would start them.

It's nothing to do with "marketing" or whatever the last poster was on about, they're just miles better footballers. Sorry to break it to you. Oh, while we're at it, sorry to say there's no Santa Claus either.
First off you probably think I'm just a bosnian Dzeko fan, I'm not. I've been a blue for 20 years, I'm just sick of the abuse he gets and hope well for him. He's a totally different playe to Tevez and Dzeko, just because they'll play in strike doesn't mean they have the same role in the team. I'm a season ticket holder too and for the past two years I've just been hearing an annoying cow behind me say "fucking Dzeko is so shit why do we even have him" and it's annoyed me so much now coz he's a decent nice guy as well.

He is a decent guy, he's a decent player and I want him to do well at City. My opinion of him is that he's a square peg in a round hole for the way we play.

Look at Ibrahimovic at Barca, they spent 60m on him, he's clearly an outstanding player, but he was the wrong type of player for them and it didn't work. He's gone to another team, done great, and Barca have done great without him.

For the last two years, for me, City are at their very best when they play a quick, neat, incisive, intricate passing game. Silva and Nasri finding little holes and poking through clever through balls for the front players.

This requires fantastic movement and little darting runs from the front men. Naturally, players with good movement, and or explosive pace are better for that style of play. Tevez, Kun and Bolotelli are more suited to that style than Dzeko.

The reason I think Dzeko is better off the bench is two fold.

1. When he comes on late, often we are desperately chasing a goal and have to be a bit more direct. He's great for this. Also a lot of the time the reason we haven't scored is because teams are sat so deep that there is no room in behind for our quick front men. So, bringing on Dzeko, and often Kolarov to supply the crosses, allows us to get bodies in the box and attack from wide when the opposition are sat on their 6 yard line. Again, Dzeko is perfect for this because he's so good in the air.

2. Dzeko always seems to play with more urgency from off the bench. I think he's an instinctive player, he is best when he has no time to think. When he comes off the bench he chases every ball, his touch looks good, he shoots on sight, often to great effect. When he starts, often his touch looks poor, he drifts in to channels, doesn't chase the ball down, it's like he's got too much time to think about things and when things go wrong it gets to him and he makes more mistakes.

I don't blame him for us losing games, it's a team game. But in my opinion, in the main, the team is more suited to having a different type of player up front. He is a brilliant alternative as a plan B though. That's why I'd keep him over Falcao.

Falcao might be a better player, but he's similar to what we've already got. Bringing him on would not be a plan B, it would be plan A with longer hair. Dzeko is the best plan B / Supersub out there, I just don't think he, or we, are as good when he starts.
 
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Shaelumstash said:
Armaan said:
Shaelumstash said:
It's got to the point where I just want you to go now. This is a City forum, I don't really give a flying fuck how players get on when they leave the club. You and a lot of other obsessives are only arsed how Dzeko gets on and don't really care either way what happens to City.

Well I've been supporting City long before Dzeko was here, and will be supporting them long after Dzeko has gone. I'd like him to stay and do well, but fuck me, the obsession of some posters on here is bordering on creepy and weird.

Again, to all the obsessives that just cannot begin to fathom my opinion, I will make it very simple for you. Over the two years Dzeko has been here, the best performances I have seen from him have, in the main, come from the bench.

It is not his fault, but in my opinion the team doesn't look as fluid when he starts, and he often looks complacent and his drive and workrate is nowhere near the same level as when he comes off the bench.

I am not some crazy deluded psycho for thinking this, every single City fan I know who have been going to the games for 25 years think Tevez and Aguero are better, and would start them.

It's nothing to do with "marketing" or whatever the last poster was on about, they're just miles better footballers. Sorry to break it to you. Oh, while we're at it, sorry to say there's no Santa Claus either.
First off you probably think I'm just a bosnian Dzeko fan, I'm not. I've been a blue for 20 years, I'm just sick of the abuse he gets and hope well for him. He's a totally different playe to Tevez and Dzeko, just because they'll play in strike doesn't mean they have the same role in the team. I'm a season ticket holder too and for the past two years I've just been hearing an annoying cow behind me say "fucking Dzeko is so shit why do we even have him" and it's annoyed me so much now coz he's a decent nice guy as well.

He is a decent guy, he's a decent player and I want him to do well at City. My opinion of him is that he's a square peg in a round hole for the way we play.

Look at Ibrahimovic at Barca, they spent 60m on him, he's clearly an outstanding player, but he was the wrong type of player for them and it didn't work. He's gone to another team, done great, and Barca have done great without him.

For the last two years, for me, City are at their very best when they play a quick, neat, incisive, intricate passing game. Silva and Nasri finding little holes and poking through clever through balls for the front players.

This requires fantastic movement and little darting runs from the front men. Naturally, players with good movement, and or explosive pace are better for that style of play. Tevez, Kun and Bolotelli are more suited to that style than Dzeko.

The reason I think Dzeko is better off the bench is two fold.

1. When he comes on late, often we are desperately chasing a goal and have to be a bit more direct. He's great for this. Also a lot of the time the reason we haven't scored is because teams are sat so deep that there is no room in behind for our quick front men. So, bringing on Dzeko, and often Kolarov to supply the crosses, allows us to get bodies in the box and attack from wide when the opposition are sat on their 6 yard line. Again, Dzeko is perfect for this because he's so good in the air.

2. Dzeko always seems to play with more urgency from off the bench. I think he's an instinctive player, he is best when he has no time to think. When he comes off the bench he chases every ball, his touch looks good, he shoots on sight, often to great effect. When he starts, often his touch looks poor, he drifts in to channels, doesn't chase the ball down, it's like he's got too much time to think about things and when things go wrong it gets to him and he makes more mistakes.

I don't blame him for us losing games, it's a team game. But in my opinion, in the main, the team is more suited to having a different type of player up front. He is a brilliant alternative as a plan B though. That's why I'd keep him over Falcao.

Falcao might be a better player, but he's similar to what we've already got. Bringing him on would not be a plan B, it would be plan A with longer hair. Dzeko is the best plan B / Supersub out there, I just don't think he, or we, are as good when he starts.
Agree with everything you said apart from the Falcao bit, imo he is the best striker in the world and the best finisher something we deeply lack.
 
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Since the start of last season, in all comps:

11 goals in 407 minutes off the bench at an incredible rate of a goal every 37 minutes.
13 goals in 2157 minutes from starting at a rate of a goal every 165 minutes.

165/37 = 4.48 times more effective coming off the bench.

Now, a bit of a disparity would be expected because the whole point of substitutions is fresh players running at tired legs but 4.48 is staggering.
 
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It's not staggering unless it's placed in context. What is the average rate of scoring for an attacking sub of his level? It doesn't address the assertion, anyway, which is some rather ridiculous fantasy that somehow Edin Dzeko is only a good player if you bring him off the bench after he's watched for an hour. If, for some reason, the squad isn't playing well until he comes on as a sub, then it is up to our management to set the squad up to play that way from the opening kick, not to hold back a player in the hopes that something good will happen in less time.
 
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Skashion said:
Since the start of last season, in all comps:

11 goals in 407 minutes off the bench at an incredible rate of a goal every 37 minutes.
13 goals in 2157 minutes from starting at a rate of a goal every 165 minutes.

165/37 = 4.48 times more effective coming off the bench.

Now, a bit of a disparity would be expected because the whole point of substitutions is fresh players running at tired legs but 4.48 is staggering.


take a deeper look at his stats. even when he starts he scores more then 80% of his goals after 70 minutes of game. it is normal in football that the goels comes late. so the stat you brought did not say nothing about efectivi off the bench or as a starter. it just says that deko is efektive in any way. he should be nr1 in man city this aguero tevez talking is bullshit. thay were good against norwich and thats all. everybody would have been good at that game. like talking about marios great Euro when it was not great at all. he had one good game andin all other games get substituted beco of no eficience
 
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teddykgb said:
It's not staggering unless it's placed in context. What is the average rate of scoring for an attacking sub of his level? It doesn't address the assertion, anyway, which is some rather ridiculous fantasy that somehow Edin Dzeko is only a good player if you bring him off the bench after he's watched for an hour. If, for some reason, the squad isn't playing well until he comes on as a sub, then it is up to our management to set the squad up to play that way from the opening kick, not to hold back a player in the hopes that something good will happen in less time.
Dzeko is a great player but he's certainly not so great that we should build our team around him. We have Aguero, Tevez, Nasri and Silva and their abilities wouldn't be utilised to their fullest if we set up for Dzeko for 90 minutes. There's also the problem of so few teams coming to have a go at us. Dzeko's fantastic for hitting teams on the counter but so few teams try to dominate us and so usually we're the ones having to smash through parked bus defences. Having a squad with better options for Dzeko is a great idea though and along with a deep-lying playmaker should be our biggest priority. Kolarov would be fine on the left side of a 4-5-1 or a 4-4-1-1, so it's a question of a decent right-winger who can put a cross in. Could even give Micah a trial there. Obviously Mancini is thinking along the same lines with experimenting with a 3-5-2 but sadly it doesn't suit our players.
 
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greasedupdeafguy said:
Shaelumstash said:
Armaan said:
First off you probably think I'm just a bosnian Dzeko fan, I'm not. I've been a blue for 20 years, I'm just sick of the abuse he gets and hope well for him. He's a totally different playe to Tevez and Dzeko, just because they'll play in strike doesn't mean they have the same role in the team. I'm a season ticket holder too and for the past two years I've just been hearing an annoying cow behind me say "fucking Dzeko is so shit why do we even have him" and it's annoyed me so much now coz he's a decent nice guy as well.

He is a decent guy, he's a decent player and I want him to do well at City. My opinion of him is that he's a square peg in a round hole for the way we play.

Look at Ibrahimovic at Barca, they spent 60m on him, he's clearly an outstanding player, but he was the wrong type of player for them and it didn't work. He's gone to another team, done great, and Barca have done great without him.

For the last two years, for me, City are at their very best when they play a quick, neat, incisive, intricate passing game. Silva and Nasri finding little holes and poking through clever through balls for the front players.

This requires fantastic movement and little darting runs from the front men. Naturally, players with good movement, and or explosive pace are better for that style of play. Tevez, Kun and Bolotelli are more suited to that style than Dzeko.

The reason I think Dzeko is better off the bench is two fold.

1. When he comes on late, often we are desperately chasing a goal and have to be a bit more direct. He's great for this. Also a lot of the time the reason we haven't scored is because teams are sat so deep that there is no room in behind for our quick front men. So, bringing on Dzeko, and often Kolarov to supply the crosses, allows us to get bodies in the box and attack from wide when the opposition are sat on their 6 yard line. Again, Dzeko is perfect for this because he's so good in the air.

2. Dzeko always seems to play with more urgency from off the bench. I think he's an instinctive player, he is best when he has no time to think. When he comes off the bench he chases every ball, his touch looks good, he shoots on sight, often to great effect. When he starts, often his touch looks poor, he drifts in to channels, doesn't chase the ball down, it's like he's got too much time to think about things and when things go wrong it gets to him and he makes more mistakes.

I don't blame him for us losing games, it's a team game. But in my opinion, in the main, the team is more suited to having a different type of player up front. He is a brilliant alternative as a plan B though. That's why I'd keep him over Falcao.

Falcao might be a better player, but he's similar to what we've already got. Bringing him on would not be a plan B, it would be plan A with longer hair. Dzeko is the best plan B / Supersub out there, I just don't think he, or we, are as good when he starts.
Agree with everything you said apart from the Falcao bit, imo he is the best striker in the world and the best finisher something we deeply lack.

I can understand using the terminology but I think calling Dzeko a 'plan B' isn't praising him enough. Our 'plan A' hasn't worked in any game this season besides Sunderland. The idea that Tevez/Aguero is a better combo is a myth based on the season so far: prettier on the eyes I agree but they haven't produced. Therefore our 'plan B' is better as its saved our asses so many times. I believe we start our in-form striker which is clearly Dzeko. He is not technically superior but if he's banging them in he should get the nod.

Dzeko has had only 3 starts this season: QPR, Dortmund, Ajax. Against Qpr we dominated. Dzeko got a goal and assist. In the champions league games Dzeko played better than our other strikers but we were tactically naive and the poor performances are down to Mancini. Edin needs more starts in the prem and if his starts don't produce goals then he should be 'plan B'.

I also think Falcao is a player we should buy, but only at the expense of Tevez/Balotelli as we couldn't handle another big name striker and should be focusing on a big name midfielder or winger, although that's another topic.
 
Re: Edin Dzeko legend

BigED10Dzekson said:
take a deeper look at his stats. even when he starts he scores more then 80% of his goals after 70 minutes of game. it is normal in football that the goels comes late. so the stat you brought did not say nothing about efectivi off the bench or as a starter. it just says that deko is efektive in any way. he should be nr1 in man city this aguero tevez talking is bullshit. thay were good against norwich and thats all. everybody would have been good at that game. like talking about marios great Euro when it was not great at all. he had one good game andin all other games get substituted beco of no eficience
Just checked and only 2 of his 13 starting goals (his 4th against Spurs, and Fulham at home), came after 70 minutes, so that's 15% not 80%. I don't know if it's a different story for the Bosnian national side but for City it's not.
 

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