Elano

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moomba said:
The people who do the stats. You do understand the concept of an assist attempt don't you?
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do you mean an attempt to assist a player who would otherwise have scored if the pass had come off, moomba?
and, that being the case, who judges that the player would definitely have scored had the pass been successful?
and, if so, do the 'statto's' go on probability %, and what is the cut-off % used?
 
Ntini77 said:
LOL Fair enough, I'm just surprised you always post them.
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I do because people are posting a lot of "opinion" that is clearly incorrect and can be proven so by stats.

Admittedly the assist attempt stat is a more subjective one, so i's more indicative than hard evidence.
 
moomba said:
Ntini77 said:
LOL Fair enough, I'm just surprised you always post them.
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I do because people are posting a lot of "opinion" that is clearly incorrect and can be proven so by stats.

Admittedly the assist attempt stat is a more subjective one, so i's more indicative than hard evidence.
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But all I said on this thread was that Elano played well but did a lot of sideways passes.

I don't see how you've proved me wrong with these stats though as you've just said yourself that 'assist attempts' are more subjective than actual factual.
 
The Oracle said:
simon23 said:
elano was excellent today

in the first half especially he just sat in front of the back four picking passes.....a lot of them simple passes (so much for always going for the hollywood pass that some people accuse of him of trying to play all the time).

his pass to help set up the third goal to swp was excellent.

he put himself about and tracked back.

tackling might not be his strongest assett but he at least tries to tackle.


agree ireland was MOTM but elano was very good also

as for the MUEN ratings...how they gave Jo a 7 is beyond me....he was pretty poor but he needs time to develop and we wont lose anything by having patience with him for at least another season or two
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Seems like we're talking at cross-purposes.
I didn't notice Elano much in the first half as I only caught about half of it: thats great if he was playing deep and playing some nice simple passes.

But theres no doubt but that in the second half, which is what I've been banging on about too many of his passes went astray.

Lets hope we get two 'first half' performances from him at Blackburn then!
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when you are trying to play the killer pass it is often a very fine line if it comes off or not so its not suprising that some of his passes dont make it....his pass completion rate was the third highest...he covered a lot of ground and helped set up the third goal......he got badly fouled a number of times and just picked himself up and got on with it......

i think he is starting to feel comfortable with letting ireland do all the running and getting the plaudits and he is now just happy to sit there and dictate the play as he did. In the first half he was almost playing the makelele role without the crunching tackles
 
simon23 said:
The Oracle said:
Seems like we're talking at cross-purposes.
I didn't notice Elano much in the first half as I only caught about half of it: thats great if he was playing deep and playing some nice simple passes.

But theres no doubt but that in the second half, which is what I've been banging on about too many of his passes went astray.

Lets hope we get two 'first half' performances from him at Blackburn then!
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when you are trying to play the killer pass it is often a very fine line if it comes off or not so its not suprising that some of his passes dont make it....his pass completion rate was the third highest...he covered a lot of ground and helped set up the third goal......he got badly fouled a number of times and just picked himself up and got on with it......

i think he is starting to feel comfortable with letting ireland do all the running and getting the plaudits and he is now just happy to sit there and dictate the play as he did. In the first half he was almost playing the makelele role without the crunching tackles
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he definitely looked to have improved with regards to keeping his head.
But those passes that I saw not coming off were a long way off being on the money.

But the important thing is he's improved a lot on recent performances.
And lets hope he'll be even better on Sunday, and, just as important keeps his head when the likes of Samba and Nelsen 'test him out.
Because I seem to recall they took it in turns to nobble him this time last season
 
Ntini77 said:
But all I said on this thread was that Elano played well but did a lot of sideways passes.

I don't see how you've proved me wrong with these stats though as you've just said yourself that 'assist attempts' are more subjective than actual factual.
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You are correct, the stats don't prove that you are wrong.

But I still think you're wrong.
 
Thought Elano had an overall postive impact today, which is all you can ask for really. Worked fairly hard, played some good passes and seemed pretty comfortable. He'll probably improve with more games, and confidence.
 
Anyone got any stats for how many times a player shits out? Thought not...

Elano played some good football today and some nice passes, he also worked very hard which was good to see. Today was an easy game and he looked decent but in the prem there will be games when we are up against it and physical teams will rough us up and in these sort of games I'm afraid elano will still come unstuck
 
You can just tell that the quality of Elanos game is hurting a few people tonight. Ha ha.
 
I also think he set the tempo of the game in the first 5 minutes which can often dictate how the game pans out.

He was positive, looking to go forward and link up with Phil, Rob, Superman etc.
 
BillyShears said:
TheMightyQuinn said:
Stop ruining peoples fantasies mate

Elano is the worst player ever to play for City and little things such as FACTS wont change peoples minds.
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Fuckin' hell, you lot really do know how to lay it on thick...

...on his day, Elano is a top class player. But, those days have been few and far between since January 2008. You can throw me as many mindless stats about the last 12 months as you want, but the fact remains he's been incredibly inconsistent. Not to mention the fact that for most of last season he couldn't get past 65 minutes in a game.

Once more, he's fucking brilliant on his day, but he's got some serious flaws in that locker as well.

To be honest, today's performance changes nothing. Elano was a good squad player last week, and he will be next week. Other, better, players are going to join us in the coming year. He either gets on to the idea of the "project" and accepts that, or moves on in search of a more important role in someone else's first team.

After his performance, the most important thing is that him and Hughes have kissed and made up so we can get some harmony back in the dressing room.
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Good post mate.

The more I think about the city squad at present the more I am minded of what the term 'squad' means.

The term 'squad player' seems to have a currency of 'jack of all trades, master of none' (e.g.Sun Ji Hai /vass for us). It also implied First team / Reserves.

The other meaning iis the idea of a squad of equals where careful analysis of each game leads the manager to select the right man for the right job , given the opposition. speEach player is encouraged to beleive in himself as bringing some specialism to the squad but that they are only thereto a high level in the first place because they can do the basics (e.eg pass and go tackle , etc)
Therefore the Wales rugby selectors will choose Stefan Jones v James Hook at outside half (key position) , depending on what sort of tactics, oppo markers they expect on the day.
The ethos drummed into the squad is that the team's victory is the squad's. With consistent winning ways the glory is shared.

Can we not get this mentality into these boys ?
 
Elano had a good game today linking the defence and attack. It is not his natural role but he did it very well. This is even more impressive considering that he has not been a regular starter and has faced criticisms from the manager and the fans. He has shown the grit and determination to pick himself up and perform today. Hopefully he will continue working hard as it is obvious that he is an asset to this team and could be a great squad player for many years to come.

It appears that we have wankers on this forum whose one main objective in life is to stir up shit so that they can knock one off when they see another poster mentioning their name. There is just no other reason for some of the crap that gets posted. Constructive criticisms of the player performances is what makes forums great in that differing views can be expressed and debated. However some of the posts in this thread are far from it and have the sole aim of winding fellow blues up. And that is just not fucking on.
 
The Fat el Hombre said:
Anyone got any stats for how many times a player shits out? Thought not...

Elano played some good football today and some nice passes, he also worked very hard which was good to see. Today was an easy game and he looked decent but in the prem there will be games when we are up against it and physical teams will rough us up and in these sort of games I'm afraid elano will still come unstuck
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Elano, Petrov and Robinho shit out of tackles

No problem with me, they aren't them kind of players


BRING BACK TIATTO, ERM NO
 
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