Electric cars

bugsyblue said:
You could yes. But the point is you wouldn't compare a second hand Ford Fiesta to a brand new Audi would you? So when people say electric cars are too expensive... I understand that point to a degree (because they don't have cheap options) but you have to compare apples to apples. Now I went electric for many reasons but for the petrol heads out there I invite you to test drive a Tesla and compare it to a similarly priced petrol car. Personally I find it beats most.
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It also depends on how you pay for your car. I bought my second hand one 4 years ago outright. I’m likely to drive it into the ground before switching to hopefully hydrogen.
 
bluethrunthru said:
For me its about the fact that ev's and the infrastructure are not the answer. I don't like people being lied to. If you watched the C5 EV cars show last night the cheapest one was £46k and had a 125 mile range. So many flats have been built in recent years - they have no prospect of home charging. Brother-in-law works for a firm as a rep who went EV - they are withdrawing the option as all its done has led to unproductive time as they sit around charging and there are many complaints from clients about missed / late appointments.
When I went on holiday a month ago I drove 320 miles from here to Bournemouth (another reason ) when you stop at motorway services there is parking for what? A hundred or so cars and about a dozen charge points. How does that work?
Outside London provision is crap. I live in a town that has added 7 new housing developments in the last 5 years and there are still only 3 public charge points. During the pandemic it was one as the council built the testing centre in a car park in such a way that it blocked access to the two there.
Nice you have them in street lights - currently our council has disabled every other street light to save money. I assume no light means no power to the lamp post?
I drop my daughter off in a car park in Middlesbrough where about 4 months ago they installed 10 charge points - they are still unbranded and are not connected to the grid.
For you if you live in London and do the motoring thats available there I am sure its good but sorry most areas of the UK where people live are not like that hence I say the current batch of EV's for loads of reasons and the charging network for the obvious reasons are just not viable.
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How are people being lied to? I haven't looked at EVs recently but my Tesla was £40k a couple of years ago and it wasn't the cheapest electric on the market by any stretch so I find it bullshit that the cheapest EV is now £46k!

I live in a block of flats that has electric charge points in the parking area. Every single new development in London has to have a certain amount of charge points per space.

With any new technology you need infrastructure to catch up. I don't know if EVs are the answer to all our problems but to dismiss them because - and I don't mean any offence here - areas of Middlesbrough don't have sufficient charging points is ludicrous. Were you against Fibre optic internet when that launched because the North East didn't have it installed?

It sounds like EVs don't suit your needs. That's fine to say. But why come on here and spout a load of crap about how useless they are when it simply isn't true?
 
bluethrunthru said:
It means I "recharge" with diesel once a fortnight or perhaps more - I gain much more of my precious time - ie life - not charging my car with electricity. The car is already 9 years old - I'd probably be on my second set of batteries by now and they ain't cheap.

That is such a misleading statement. How many people can charge overnight? There are so many barriers to being able to do that. On C4News this week charging an EV was nearly as costly as filling a petrol car at current prices. If you are lucky enough to have the infrastructure at home to have a charge point installed its still £3.5K to put one in. I don't need a diesel pump and all the associated paraphernalia at home - I have 3 filling stations within 5 minutes of where I live.

EV's and the current infrastructure are just not the answer.
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£3.5k for a home charger…. Really? Most expensive quote I’ve had is £1.5k and the cheapest £800. And batteries are coming with an 8 year warranty… and most will be on lease so the first owner won’t really care. Plus cheaper servicing costs, less bits to break etc, it ain’t all that bad.

For those with a drive and home charging they may never have to waste time fuelling their car again. And rapid charging can now take less time than going for a piss and getting a coffee if they have to make the odd long journey. Plus how often do people drive 400 miles in one go without stopping for a rest?

The biggest issue for me is the lead time getting a new car just had my order pushed back till Feb that will be 11 months from ordering. Why am I putting up with the wait.. a £400 a month saving on BIK tax. Would I rather a nice V8 - fuck yes but cash is king as they say.

It doesn’t have to a battle between fuel types. For some EVs will work for others petrol will work. At the end of the day they all have four wheels and get you from one place to another. I find the whole my fossil fuel car is better than electric and vice versa a bit odd to be honest.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It also depends on how you pay for your car. I bought my second hand one 4 years ago outright. I’m likely to drive it into the ground before switching to hopefully hydrogen.
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Of course. And those that want to take advantage of the low BIK rate, non-congestion charge, cheaper fuel, and cheaper parking should seriously consider electric.
 
markbmcfc said:
Anyone is entitled to dislike or even loathe electric cars but to label their owners fools, when the alternative is to spend loads of money continuously filling a car with a liquid that gets burned and passed through an exhaust, is a little bit rich if I’m honest.
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Until the batteries need replacing at a cost of tens of thousands. (Mining lithium is hardly ethical or environmentally friendly) I don't doubt the power or effectiveness of the electric motor, it's already proven, but using batteries to power it...?
 
bugsyblue said:
How are people being lied to? I haven't looked at EVs recently but my Tesla was £40k a couple of years ago and it wasn't the cheapest electric on the market by any stretch so I find it bullshit that the cheapest EV is now £46k!

I live in a block of flats that has electric charge points in the parking area. Every single new development in London has to have a certain amount of charge points per space.

With any new technology you need infrastructure to catch up. I don't know if EVs are the answer to all our problems but to dismiss them because - and I don't mean any offence here - areas of Middlesbrough don't have sufficient charging points is ludicrous. Were you against Fibre optic internet when that launched because the North East didn't have it installed?

It sounds like EVs don't suit your needs. That's fine to say. But why come on here and spout a load of crap about how useless they are when it simply isn't true?
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Err you need to read my post

1/ I said the cheapest on the show was £46k - I think you can get a VW one for just under £40k
2/ again you live in London and have the provision - well done - but don't get arsey when I point out that most of us don't live there and suffer the consequences ref EV's - you are welcome to come and live here and see how that influences your opinion.
3/ Its a thread on EV;s. Does that mean I can't come on and say why I don't think they are suitable for purpose? Is it only here so people from London can say how great they are?
 
bluethrunthru said:
Err you need to read my post

1/ I said the cheapest on the show was £46k - I think you can get a VW one for just under £40k
2/ again you live in London and have the provision - well done - but don't get arsey when I point out that most of us don't live there and suffer the consequences ref EV's - you are welcome to come and live here and see how that influences your opinion.
3/ Its a thread on EV;s. Does that mean I can't come on and say why I don't think they are suitable for purpose? Is it only here so people from London can say how great they are?
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They might not be suitable for your purpose but they are for mine. I am in North Yorkshire, as are you if I remember correctly.

Hybrids/electric cars work for me and many people I know. They also wouldn't work for other people that I know for some of the reasons that you have mentioned. Each to their own.
 
bugsyblue said:
Absolutely. Don't we all analyse what car to buy on our needs? EVs aren't for everyone - don't think anyone is trying to claim they are?
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Absolutely and I am very sceptical about their batteries and the ticking time bomb they are unless you have an EV on lease/finance.
 
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