Electric cars

[Alan Harper's Tash]

They might not be suitable for your purpose but they are for mine. I am in North Yorkshire, as are you if I remember correctly.

Hybrids/electric cars work for me and many people I know. They also wouldn't work for other people that I know for some of the reasons that you have mentioned. Each to their own.

Hybrid is a totally different kettle of fish.

Total electric cars are new and no one knows how long their batteries last yet.

Would you by an electric car without a battery or one that gets you 50 miles?

 

[bugsyblue]

Err you need to read my post

1/ I said the cheapest on the show was £46k - I think you can get a VW one for just under £40k
2/ again you live in London and have the provision - well done - but don't get arsey when I point out that most of us don't live there and suffer the consequences ref EV's - you are welcome to come and live here and see how that influences your opinion.
3/ Its a thread on EV;s. Does that mean I can't come on and say why I don't think they are suitable for purpose? Is it only here so people from London can say how great they are?

1) There are quite a few EVs under 40k mate. Off the top of my head the Leaf, E208, Zoe etc.
2) I do live in the most populated city in the UK yes.
3) You can but you come on and claim people are being lied to and talk inaccurately about EVs and clearly have some sort of agenda. It's just a bit odd.

 

[PragueBlue]

Hybrid is a totally different kettle of fish.

Total electric cars are new and no one knows how long their batteries last yet.

Would you by an electric car without a battery or one that gets you 50 miles?

No, I wouldn't. I'd buy a new one with a battery that had a good few years in it. If I was buying a car that was a few years old, I'd opt for petrol at this point in time.

 

[bluethrunthru]

£3.5k for a home charger…. Really? Most expensive quote I’ve had is £1.5k and the cheapest £800. And batteries are coming with an 8 year warranty… and most will be on lease so the first owner won’t really care. Plus cheaper servicing costs, less bits to break etc, it ain’t all that bad.

For those with a drive and home charging they may never have to waste time fuelling their car again. And rapid charging can now take less time than going for a piss and getting a coffee if they have to make the odd long journey. Plus how often do people drive 400 miles in one go without stopping for a rest?

The biggest issue for me is the lead time getting a new car just had my order pushed back till Feb that will be 11 months from ordering. Why am I putting up with the wait.. a £400 a month saving on BIK tax. Would I rather a nice V8 - fuck yes but cash is king as they say.

It doesn’t have to a battle between fuel types. For some EVs will work for others petrol will work. At the end of the day they all have four wheels and get you from one place to another. I find the whole my fossil fuel car is better than electric and vice versa a bit odd to be honest.

my neighbour was quoted £3.5k for one - however thats not an issue as his employer - Fujitsu pulled the option. Eight year warranty? My car is 9 years old and going strong - what happens at 8 years old - do the batteries gradually die? On frosty mornings do you put them in the oven to warm them up?

Loads of people are asked to do 400 miles or more - some travel for work some for pleasure - some work from home then get a meeting in an office in say Brighton when they live in Newcastle ( I have ) - how does that work?

Its not a battle against fuel types per se - its a disagreement over fuel types. I just don't see that all new cars being EV's from 2030 is doable. The infrastructure is too poor and the cars are inadequate - another fuel source like hydrogen could be more viable - all I can see is conversely to what is intended fossil fuel cars will be sold at a premium in 2029 by dealers and from 2030 the 2nd had market values will rise because of the inadequacies of the EV support systems - all to reduce pollution.

 

[bluethrunthru]

1) There are quite a few EVs under 40k mate. Off the top of my head the Leaf, E208, Zoe etc.
2) I do live in the most populated city in the UK yes.
3) You can but you come on and claim people are being lied to and talk inaccurately about EVs and clearly have some sort of agenda. It's just a bit odd.

Pray tell me the lies? EV's are sold on the basis of range as the manufacturers know range anxiety - I don't think I have seen anything where an EV has matched a manufacturers claimed range

 

[bugsyblue]

Absolutely and I am very sceptical about their batteries and the ticking time bomb they are unless you have an EV on lease/finance.

The batteries are an issue, but more about how to enviromentally dispose or recycle them.

Most Evs have 4 - 8 years battery warranty. The tech will outperform the battery issue meaning I won't want my EV in 4-5 years time because EVs will have advanced so much I will want an update. I plan on selling after 3-4 years as I think that's financially smart. Now that has environmental issues of its own but I bet most people do the same with petrol cars?

 

[PragueBlue]

Pray tell me the lies? EV's are sold on the basis of range as the manufacturers know range anxiety - I don't think I have seen anything where an EV has matched a manufacturers claimed range

Same with fuel consumption and petrol engines to be honest. Rarely, if ever, do they get the claimed MPG.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The batteries are an issue, but more about how to enviromentally dispose or recycle them.

Most Evs have 4 - 8 years battery warranty. The tech will outperform the battery issue meaning I won't want my EV in 4-5 years time because EVs will have advanced so much I will want an update. I plan on selling after 3-4 years as I think that's financially smart. Now that has environmental issues of its own but I bet most people do the same with petrol cars?

Even if you do sell your car after 4 years, if a battery costs £10k to replace, you take half that off it’s value straight away.

Also, why would peolle buy 4 year old EVs with knackered batteries? Even at 4 years, they’re likely to have much less charge capacity than when new.

The batteries are a huge environmental issue, should everyone go EV.

People will make their decisions based on what services and charges they have.

 

[bugsyblue]

Pray tell me the lies? EV's are sold on the basis of range as the manufacturers know range anxiety - I don't think I have seen anything where an EV has matched a manufacturers claimed range

Well just looking at your last few posts I've found two to three mate:

cheapest one was £46k and had a 125 mile range - NOT TRUE
a charge point installed its still £3.5K to put one in - NOT TRUE
That is such a misleading statement. How many people can charge overnight? - I DON'T HAVE FACTS ON THIS ONE BUT EVERYONE I KNOW WHO OWNS AN EV CHARGES AT HOME OR IN THE STREET OVERNIGHT

 

[bugsyblue]

Even if you do sell your car after 4 years, if a battery costs £10k to replace, you take half that off it’s value straight away.

Also, why would peolle buy 4 year old EVs with knackered batteries? Even at 4 years, they’re likely to have much less charge capacity than when new.

The batteries are a huge environmental issue, should everyone go EV.

People will make their decisions based on what services and charges they have.

I agree with your last statement. Why are people buying second hand EVs? You'd have to ask them but I don't anticipate having problems selling my car but I guess time will tell. Maybe in a few years I'll come on here and say it was a huge mistake but I've had my EV for nearly 2 years and I would honestly never go back to petrol now.

Like I said numerous times, EVs aren't for everyone but for some people they are great. Also, personally I'd love to be able to walk around a city centre without the air pollution of petrol cars!