Electric cars

Mëtal Bikër said:
There's little point mocking people with a genuine complaint about recharging EV's by making a comparison that makes little sense.

You don't need to 'charge' an ICE at home because there is already fuel stored. EV's utilising batteries to store evergy are simply not efficient and never will be. What if you work somewhere where there isn't an EV car park facility available? Many people park their vehicles outside their workplace rather or on the streets where no charge ports are located. "It will only get better" translates to "it's going to cost hundreds of billions to develop an entirely new infrastructure that will only be beneficial to a few rather than the majority".

EV's cars are the way forward, but battery stored energy method isn't. That is the main issue and concern with EV cars at present. The public is being 'sold' on the premise that we can 'charge up the EV at home', but unless we have designated parking spaces outside our own homes with charge ports, all we're going to see are a lot of extension leads draped across pavements as those who were unable to park close to their own home and unable charge their EV during the day, desperately try and put power back into their car overnight.
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Oh dear, another one. All the points I did mention. When cars were first made only the rich could afford them and fuel stations were few and far between(I am old enough to see signs saying ‘last fuel for xxx miles or before motorway) now everyone has one and many more than one. Same with TVs mobile phones(in fact even kids have one). Like I said, even if you park on the road I have no doubt that you park it up for at least an hour when shopping. Many, many shopping centres and supermarkets have charging points. And ‘it will only get better’ and lots of money IS being spent expanding the network.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Oh dear, another one. All the points I did mention. When cars were first made only the rich could afford them and fuel stations were few and far between(I am old enough to see signs saying ‘last fuel for xxx miles or before motorway) now everyone has one and many more than one. Same with TVs mobile phones(in fact even kids have one). Like I said, even if you park on the road I have no doubt that you park it up for at least an hour when shopping. Many, many shopping centres and supermarkets have charging points. And ‘it will only get better’ and lots of money IS being spent expanding the network.
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What do you mean 'another one'? I support EV's, i'm critical of the current methods to recharge the energy required to power the motors. Batteries are not the answer; lithium mining is also harmful to the planet and emissions production. Batteries are also exceptionally heavy, so they add a lot of weight to EV's, requiring more power to get them moving. From a power to weight perspective, batteries are not exactly the most efficient method.

Electric motors are proven to be the answer, how to get power efficiently and at minimal threat to climate change is yet to be resolved effectively.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
What do you mean 'another one'? I support EV's, i'm critical of the current methods to recharge the energy required to power the motors. Batteries are not the answer; lithium mining is also harmful to the planet and emissions production. Batteries are also exceptionally heavy, so they add a lot of weight to EV's, requiring more power to get them moving. From a power to weight perspective, batteries are not exactly the most efficient method.

Electric motors are proven to be the answer, how to get power efficiently and at minimal threat to climate change is yet to be resolved effectively.
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Fred is on a crusade, if we all switch to electric and go to the supermarket there’s no chance to charge up because everyone is! Get the infrastructure right, make them just as accessible and as cheap as normal cars and you are onto a winner.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Fred is on a crusade, if we all switch to electric and go to the supermarket there’s no chance to charge up because everyone is! Get the infrastructure right, make them just as accessible and as cheap as normal cars and you are onto a winner.
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You don't consider £40-80,000 to be cheap and accessible? ;)

I'd personally prefer more R&D into HFC; the infrastructure can be modified to adapt into a system most people are already familiar with, but admit even they have their challenges.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Fred is on a crusade, if we all switch to electric and go to the supermarket there’s no chance to charge up because everyone is! Get the infrastructure right, make them just as accessible and as cheap as normal cars and you are onto a winner.
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Which is my point exactly.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Which is my point exactly.
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I know but you are berating everyone who points out why the masses won’t adopt electric, they are genuine concerns, just look at how that clean air tax is been handle in Manchester, if the infrastructure etc was in place no one would have problems with it, but bloody hell it’s going to be carnage over the next 18 months for people with vans.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Saw this today on Faceache. Could the same principle be used to charge EV??
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More inefficient than cable charging though.

We dig up roads to fit and replace cables for other reasons we can do it for EV infrastructure.

But I think something being missed is that people want EVs to fit into the car ownership model of late 20th/early 21st century. That doesn't need to be the case, there should be no need to own a car when you could rent it for cheaper and you don't need to incur the liability and responsibility for maintenance, insurance and depreciating value.

They should also be smaller, not the almost ubiquitous SUV or hybrid style that clog up cities and increase risk of damage to pedestrians and other drivers in collisions.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
More inefficient than cable charging though.

We dig up roads to fit and replace cables for other reasons we can do it for EV infrastructure.

But I think something being missed is that people want EVs to fit into the car ownership model of late 20th/early 21st century. That doesn't need to be the case, there should be no need to own a car when you could rent it for cheaper and you don't need to incur the liability and responsibility for maintenance, insurance and depreciating value.

They should also be smaller, not the almost ubiquitous SUV or hybrid style that clog up cities and increase risk of damage to pedestrians and other drivers in collisions.
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Yep produce a small £10k car to fit a family of 4 to the supermarket you don’t need a tank
 
Blue Maverick said:
Yep produce a small £10k car to fit a family of 4 to the supermarket you don’t need a tank
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We could even build it ourselves. A small, affordable run about with no bells and whistles. Range of 100 miles or so. That would do me and I suspect a lot of other people too. How hard can it be?
 
crublue1 said:
We could even build it ourselves. A small, affordable run about with no bells and whistles. Range of 100 miles or so. That would do me and I suspect a lot of other people too. How hard can it be?
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Get rid of electric windows, electric mirrors(who moves them once in position anyway) heated seats. Even sat nag shouldn’t be needed with modern phones these days.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Get rid of electric windows, electric mirrors(who moves them once in position anyway) heated seats. Even sat nag shouldn’t be needed with modern phones these days.
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Makes me laugh when manufacturers, who are striving for range, load up the car with electric sapping kit.
Give us a simple car at a reasonable cost.
 
We will be using flying cars before everyone excepts this dreadful idea of thick cables causing trip hazards down every street. I’m sure I’m not the only one thinking in this way.
 
paulkidd said:
We will be using flying cars before everyone excepts this dreadful idea of thick cables causing trip hazards down every street. I’m sure I’m not the only one thinking in this way.
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I think you might be.
People taking to the skies in flying cars, what could possibly go wrong, especially considering that a lot of drivers can't even drive a fucking simple contraption like a car properly. I can step over a cable, not sure I'd want to be at the mercy of some woman doing her make up, or some twat on the phone while at 1000 feet.
 
Blue Maverick said:
who moves them once in position anyway
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Mechanics - just about every time I have had a car serviced I find the seat base has moved - the seat back angle is changed - the interior rear view mirror is different as is the drivers side window. Why? They take it for a 5 minute 1-2km test drive or sometimes just move it around a yard and in and out of a service bay yet set it up for themselves like they are driving Lands End to John O'Groats ffs
 
spoke to a lad today who I haven't seen during the pandemic - he is back out now with work and 2 months into a 2 year lease on an electric Kia Soul. His job involves travelling to various retail outlets within a radius of 50 miles to provide and set up promotional displays.

He hates it. Range anxiety is killing him - too many places have no charge points in North Yorkshire. He feels like a junkie addicted to electricity and the charge points are his dealers and he can't help but fret about where his next charge is coming from. There are too few fast charge points he says and charging at home would take forever but anyway he can't have a home charge point as he parks in the street - sometimes quite a way from his home due to lack of parking.

He is now also getting it in the neck off his line manager as he is getting complaints that the guy is often late for appointments and the boss is now saying he is slacking and hiding behind the "had to charge my EV " excuse. Thats also pissing him off because the business - who expect them to provide their own transport anyway - were interested for him to be a trail blazer for them to claim a more green approach to business.

ps - I met him when he was walking home from a local garage which has two of the only charge points in town where he had left his car to charge - he was going home for a couple of hours to have a brew and do some admin. He was thoroughly pissed off.
 
bluethrunthru said:
spoke to a lad today who I haven't seen during the pandemic - he is back out now with work and 2 months into a 2 year lease on an electric Kia Soul. His job involves travelling to various retail outlets within a radius of 50 miles to provide and set up promotional displays.

He hates it. Range anxiety is killing him - too many places have no charge points in North Yorkshire. He feels like a junkie addicted to electricity and the charge points are his dealers and he can't help but fret about where his next charge is coming from. There are too few fast charge points he says and charging at home would take forever but anyway he can't have a home charge point as he parks in the street - sometimes quite a way from his home due to lack of parking.

He is now also getting it in the neck off his line manager as he is getting complaints that the guy is often late for appointments and the boss is now saying he is slacking and hiding behind the "had to charge my EV " excuse. Thats also pissing him off because the business - who expect them to provide their own transport anyway - were interested for him to be a trail blazer for them to claim a more green approach to business.

ps - I met him when he was walking home from a local garage which has two of the only charge points in town where he had left his car to charge - he was going home for a couple of hours to have a brew and do some admin. He was thoroughly pissed off.
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Surely there's some sort of log when he charges it? It's not like he's charging it for no reason.
His boss sounds like a twat, it's obvious that electric cars don't make a very good "reps car", when I was on the road I'd be doing 500 miles a day sometimes. No way would an ev be suitable.
We have to face facts, they're no way near good enough yet.
 
bluethrunthru said:
spoke to a lad today who I haven't seen during the pandemic - he is back out now with work and 2 months into a 2 year lease on an electric Kia Soul. His job involves travelling to various retail outlets within a radius of 50 miles to provide and set up promotional displays.

He hates it. Range anxiety is killing him - too many places have no charge points in North Yorkshire. He feels like a junkie addicted to electricity and the charge points are his dealers and he can't help but fret about where his next charge is coming from. There are too few fast charge points he says and charging at home would take forever but anyway he can't have a home charge point as he parks in the street - sometimes quite a way from his home due to lack of parking.

He is now also getting it in the neck off his line manager as he is getting complaints that the guy is often late for appointments and the boss is now saying he is slacking and hiding behind the "had to charge my EV " excuse. Thats also pissing him off because the business - who expect them to provide their own transport anyway - were interested for him to be a trail blazer for them to claim a more green approach to business.

ps - I met him when he was walking home from a local garage which has two of the only charge points in town where he had left his car to charge - he was going home for a couple of hours to have a brew and do some admin. He was thoroughly pissed off.
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Obviously got the wrong car. That’s like a 6’ 10” guy who gets a Fiat 500 and then complains because it is to small.

Should have done his homework before getting it.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Obviously got the wrong car. That’s like a 6’ 10” guy who gets a Fiat 500 and then complains because it is to small.

Should have done his homework before getting it.
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He's travelling within a 50 mile radius. Not too much to ask is it
 
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