Electric cars

maxwellblue said:
There is no denying the power of an ev but they all look shite and sound like a milk float. They do have a place for those who only see a car as a means to get from a to b but for those of us that are actually car enthusiasts they really don't tick the boxes.

I'll stick to my 2 V8's and diesel daily.
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MG have stepped up a level. The new MG IM5/6 look right up to date. Back end looks very Aston Martin. Not bad for a Chinese firm. The IM5 has 441 mile range. 751 HP and 802 NM torque.
3.2 and 3.5 (IM6) 0-60 mph isn't too shabby either!
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fulabeer said:
Most of my motorbikes had a "powerband". A clutch, and gears???
The only one i rode that didn't have the above was called a twist and go scooter! :p
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Ive never had any issue with gears on a bike, but nowadays you can get bikes with quickshifters, ie no need for clutch or throttle change. :-)
 
maxwellblue said:
There is no denying the power of an ev but they all look shite and sound like a milk float. They do have a place for those who only see a car as a means to get from a to b but for those of us that are actually car enthusiasts they really don't tick the boxes.

I'll stick to my 2 V8's and diesel daily.
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More exciting models do also exist, and I expect there will be some coming out soon that look great too, first you've got to get the customers in the first edition vehicles before they can go all showy. 99% of all cars a just boring, bland euroboxes imo anyways.
I am a car enthusiast too and also have a petrol sports coupe for when I want a nostalgic blast around and a dirty diesel for when I need to tow the boat or trailer. EV's havn't yet addressed the towing thing yet as most don't have type approval for towbars but they will get there.
 
fulabeer said:
Most of my motorbikes had a "powerband". A clutch, and gears???
The only one i rode that didn't have the above was called a twist and go scooter! :p
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I think he probably means an electric motorbike ;)
 
maxwellblue said:
There is no denying the power of an ev but they all look shite and sound like a milk float. They do have a place for those who only see a car as a means to get from a to b but for those of us that are actually car enthusiasts they really don't tick the boxes.

I'll stick to my 2 V8's and diesel daily.
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If you were around when the Model T was brought out I’d bet you’d have said they are all shit I will keep my horse, EVs are in their infancy and 20 years from now (probably be hydrogen by then) they look amazing as many cars do now after nearly a hundred years of evolution.
 
Blue Maverick said:
If you were around when the Model T was brought out I’d bet you’d have said they are all shit I will keep my horse, EVs are in their infancy and 20 years from now (probably be hydrogen by then) they look amazing as many cars do now after nearly a hundred years of evolution.
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Not at all, while I do like and own classic cars I also appreciate the advancements in motor engineering and technology.

EV's for me are the new betamax and I agree the future is probably hydrogen. I do agree that EV'S have their place. Perfect for someone like my daughter who has a driveway and doesn't drive more than 15 miles from her house.

As for looks the only one that actually does look good is the MG Cyberstar. Had that had an ICE I'd consider one. The rest, especially tesla are just butt ugly.
 
maxwellblue said:
Not at all, while I do like and own classic cars I also appreciate the advancements in motor engineering and technology.

EV's for me are the new betamax and I agree the future is probably hydrogen. I do agree that EV'S have their place. Perfect for someone like my daughter who has a driveway and doesn't drive more than 15 miles from her house.

As for looks the only one that actually does look good is the MG Cyberstar. Had that had an ICE I'd consider one. The rest, especially tesla are just butt ugly.
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Teslas are particularly cheap looking inside, the quality of the materials used is really poor imo.
 
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Renault are doing the most for the EV market imo. Looks like another characterful car after the Renault 5.

And it's not from a manufacturer you've never heard of it before or costs £70k+ and has a totally unnecessary amount of power.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Teslas are particularly cheap looking inside, the quality of the materials used is really poor imo.
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I did sit in a Tesla and I agree they could make it a little more colourful, put a sportier steering wheel on, better trim, I know in the usa theres lots of addon stuff in the aftermarket
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Ive never had any issue with gears on a bike, but nowadays you can get bikes with quickshifters, ie no need for clutch or throttle change. :-)
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I've only just heard about them. My biker friend was showing me on his latest bike. He's a lazy fat **** already, so it makes perfect sense! :)
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maxwellblue said:
Haha, not been hurt by one yet although considering you can't hear them coming it might only be a matter time.
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I agree that is dangerous. They do that hum/whine sound at low speeds from a speaker at the front. I find it more annoying than useful. EV's are coming that have custom interior/exterior sounds. So a V8 EV isn't impossible!
Even my Audi SQ5 had factory fitted speakers in the exhaust to alter the sound of the V6 diesel. I could change the exhaust sound via an app on my phone. V8/V6 or Subaru Boxer engine etc. It was so close, even car people couldn't tell it was fake.
The truth was i turned it off most of the time and drove round in near silence. I think i grew out of annoying pedestrians/neighbours.
 
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On the subject of Hydrogen. I too thought it the future of motoring. Yet the more i read, the more i just cannot see it happening. The first and most major obstacle is producing hydrogen cheaply enough. However, crack that and it would have every chance.
Storage, distribution and refueling for transport are manageable. Even "in car storage" isn't more dangerous than petrol i believe.

I think the biggest problem is advances in EV battery tech. We are looking at 600 mile EV ranges just next year. (500 mile range is already here) Add the new "fire safe-none runaway" battery tech coming, and it would make battery EV's the safest of all fuel options. You will see in the next year or so, EV's designed for towing. As always, it will start at the top end, but filter down soon enough.

By 2030 it is expected that 900-1000 miles will be possible. EV stations and public/street charge points will have matured. As the switch over to EV's progresses, petrol stations will slowly reduce. They are not the right shape/format to convert to electric charging. Meaning less stations to convert to Hydrogen even if they can make it cheaper. Then there are the people who cannot wait 15 mins to charge and EV. Hydrogen refilling isn't that quick either. Most people like the clean way EV plugs just click in. No smells/danger etc.

And from my reading, the above all seems to be the case why many companies are now dropping any further research in Hydrogen for transport. There may be some interest in replacing Natural gas with Hydrogen, but even that seems to be unable to overcome distribution problems. It was muted to just use the existing gas pipes, but that has been shown to be unfeasible. Hydrogen might still have role in heavy industry though. But who knows...
 
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maxwellblue said:
There is no denying the power of an ev but they all look shite and sound like a milk float. They do have a place for those who only see a car as a means to get from a to b but for those of us that are actually car enthusiasts they really don't tick the boxes.

I'll stick to my 2 V8's and diesel daily.
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My EV will beat the crap out of your ICE. My ‘milk float’ is the best accelerating car I have ever driven. Stuff your V8 and diesel.
 
Hydrogen for cars is dead. Will never happen.
 
fulabeer said:
On the subject of Hydrogen. I too thought it the future of motoring. Yet the more i read, the more i just cannot see it happening. The first and most major obstacle is producing hydrogen cheaply enough. However, crack that and it would have every chance.
Storage, distribution and refueling for transport are manageable. Even "in car storage" isn't more dangerous than petrol i believe.

I think the biggest problem is advances in EV battery tech. We are looking at 600 mile EV ranges just next year. (500 mile range is already here) Add the new "fire safe-none runaway" battery tech coming, and it would make battery EV's the safest of all fuel options. You will see in the next year or so, EV's designed for towing. As always, it will start at the top end, but filter down soon enough.

By 2030 it is expected that 900-1000 miles will be possible. EV stations and public/street charge points will have matured. As the switch over to EV's progresses, petrol stations will slowly reduce. They are not the right shape/format to convert to electric charging. Meaning less stations to convert to Hydrogen even if they can make it cheaper. Then there are the people who cannot wait 15 mins to charge and EV. Hydrogen refilling isn't that quick either. Most people like the clean way EV plugs just click in. No smells/danger etc.

And from my reading, the above all seems to be the case why many companies are now dropping any further research in Hydrogen for transport. There may be some interest in replacing Natural gas with Hydrogen, but even that seems to be unable to overcome distribution problems. It was muted to just use the existing gas pipes, but that has been shown to be unfeasible. Hydrogen might still have role in heavy industry though. But who knows...
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The costs for running an ev are going to soar in the next few years, the government are going to have to tax the hell out of them to replace the lost fuel duty and road tax from ice cars.
 
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