Electronic Cigerettes?

[mammutly]

Actually I think I wouldn't object to them being used in school if it stopped a group of kids going off to smoke behind the bike sheds and was controlled use by the staff in order to help the kids get through the day and support them quitting cigs

One word.

Proliferation

Two words

Peer pressure

Which is exactly why we don't want e cigarettes sanctioned by Manchester City FC and the like.

 

[squirtyflower]

One word.

Proliferation

Two words

Peer pressure

Which is exactly why we don't want e cigarettes sanctioned by Manchester City FC and the like.

My comment was about schools, not city
Personally I don't think city should have them as others will abuse the situation by smoking real fags then arguing they were e fags
But I know a school that had introduced them in order to control the smoking culture in teenagers and hope to reduce/eradicate it

 

[mammutly]

Two words

Peer pressure

Which is exactly why we don't want e cigarettes sanctioned by Manchester City FC and the like.

My comment was about schools, not city
Personally I don't think city should have them as others will abuse the situation by smoking real fags then arguing they were e fags
But I know a school that had introduced them in order to control the smoking culture in teenagers and hope to reduce/eradicate it

Peer group beliefs are hugely influenced by the media. I'm thinking forwards a bit - the message that would reverberate if institutions like City were to sanction e fags?

Introducing stimulant substitutes will not change the smoking culture in a school - it will make it worse because the illicit nature of real smoking will become massively more appealing when fuelled by additional nicotine craving. Nicotine is an instant gratification drug.

And you will get kids prepared to try the "harmless" e fags if they are allowed in school who would otherwise never have crossed the line to smoke at all.

 

[squirtyflower]

Which is exactly why we don't want e cigarettes sanctioned by Manchester City FC and the like.

My comment was about schools, not city
Personally I don't think city should have them as others will abuse the situation by smoking real fags then arguing they were e fags
But I know a school that had introduced them in order to control the smoking culture in teenagers and hope to reduce/eradicate it

Peer group beliefs are hugely influenced by the media. I'm thinking forwards a bit - the message that would reverberate if institutions like City were to sanction e fags?

Introducing stimulant substitutes will not change the smoking culture in a school - it will make it worse because the illicit nature of real smoking will become more massively appealing when fuelled by additional nicotine craving. Nicotine is an instant gratification drug.

And you will get kids prepared to try the "harmless" e fags if they are allowed in school who would otherwise never have crossed the line to smoke at all.

You can't get away from the fact that there is a smoking culture in schools
Also these groups often tend to go 'underground' as its prohibited
These leads to Rotherham problems as well, and it would be no surprise to find that most of the serious problems are also caused by the same group. There's an element of rebellion that can attract, hanging out with the cool kids that entraps and ensnares inquisitive innocents

You can break this circle by bringing it above ground and inside, and on a one to one basis rather than group/gang culture with the associated peer pressure.
I'm not saying they are good for students, but I am saying that controlling it does a lot more good in terms of the culture it supports.
Eventually we have to aim to get the kids weened off nicotine, and present measures, in my experience, have done rock all to affect this change

 

[mammutly]

My comment was about schools, not city
Personally I don't think city should have them as others will abuse the situation by smoking real fags then arguing they were e fags
But I know a school that had introduced them in order to control the smoking culture in teenagers and hope to reduce/eradicate it

Peer group beliefs are hugely influenced by the media. I'm thinking forwards a bit - the message that would reverberate if institutions like City were to sanction e fags?

Introducing stimulant substitutes will not change the smoking culture in a school - it will make it worse because the illicit nature of real smoking will become more massively appealing when fuelled by additional nicotine craving. Nicotine is an instant gratification drug.

And you will get kids prepared to try the "harmless" e fags if they are allowed in school who would otherwise never have crossed the line to smoke at all.

You can't get away from the fact that there is a smoking culture in schools
Also these groups often tend to go 'underground' as its prohibited
These leads to Rotherham problems as well, and it would be no surprise to find that most of the serious problems are also caused by the same group. There's an element of rebellion that can attract, hanging out with the cool kids that entraps and ensnares inquisitive innocents

You can break this circle by bringing it above ground and inside, and on a one to one basis rather than group/gang culture with the associated peer pressure.
I'm not saying they are good for students, but I am saying that controlling it does a lot more good in terms of the culture it supports.
Eventually we have to aim to get the kids weened off nicotine, and present measures, in my experience, have done rock all to affect this change

In that sense, you'd be far better off with a stop smoking program.

E cigs are a part time substitute for smoking. Nicotine is a fabulously addictive substance and e cigs are not sold as anything except a safer way to get it. You allow it in schools and there are going to be students getting addicted to nicotine who otherwise wouldn't have.

 

[squirtyflower]

Peer group beliefs are hugely influenced by the media. I'm thinking forwards a bit - the message that would reverberate if institutions like City were to sanction e fags?

Introducing stimulant substitutes will not change the smoking culture in a school - it will make it worse because the illicit nature of real smoking will become more massively appealing when fuelled by additional nicotine craving. Nicotine is an instant gratification drug.

And you will get kids prepared to try the "harmless" e fags if they are allowed in school who would otherwise never have crossed the line to smoke at all.

You can't get away from the fact that there is a smoking culture in schools
Also these groups often tend to go 'underground' as its prohibited
These leads to Rotherham problems as well, and it would be no surprise to find that most of the serious problems are also caused by the same group. There's an element of rebellion that can attract, hanging out with the cool kids that entraps and ensnares inquisitive innocents

You can break this circle by bringing it above ground and inside, and on a one to one basis rather than group/gang culture with the associated peer pressure.
I'm not saying they are good for students, but I am saying that controlling it does a lot more good in terms of the culture it supports.
Eventually we have to aim to get the kids weened off nicotine, and present measures, in my experience, have done rock all to affect this change

In that sense, you'd be far better off with a stop smoking program.

E cigs are a part time substitute for smoking. Nicotine is a fabulously addictive substance and e cigs are not sold as anything except a safer way to get it. You allow it in schools and there are going to be students getting addicted to nicotine who otherwise wouldn't have.

They are already addicted to it, just drive past any school at lunch or break and you see a group of them hiding somewhere having a fag
It's about breaking the circle of others going down that path, so it may not stop the addicted but hopefully stop others joining the group

 

[Citysmith]

Am I ok with my Nicorette's?

 

[mcmanus]

Am I ok with my Nicorette's?

Ssshhhhhhh! Don't rock the boat. Someone will work out a way to say it annoys them to somehow stop you chewing.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I think that anyone who can't handle not smoking or inhaling nicotine for an hour and fourty five minutes shouldn't go to football matches, if you get caught in any way, shape or form, more fool you.

This ^^^^^
How the fuck do they cope on a 4 hour flight to Greece / Turkey / Canary Islands etc?

 

[Bill]

I think that anyone who can't handle not smoking or inhaling nicotine for an hour and fourty five minutes shouldn't go to football matches, if you get caught in any way, shape or form, more fool you.

This ^^^^^
How the fuck do they cope on a 4 hour flight to Greece / Turkey / Canary Islands etc?

they do so meekly.
they can't stand at passport control giving it the big i am cos i'll smoke where i want. truth is they were bitched by aviation laws and they did as they were told.

on here they thinks its clever to break the rules and risk the wrath of the council on our club. they moan like likkle cherubs when they are thrown out.

ok the e cig guy was hard done by but i laugh like fuck every time i hear of a smoker being banned. well done the stewards.