Elon Musk buys and ruins Twitter

[SebastianBlue]

Or maybe Musk is simply an asshole who hates Dems and is genetically incapable of positive feelings towards others... currying favor with Putin is a no-brainer in that case - opening up possible new business ventures with little to no downside.

“Little-to-no downside”? You mean violation of the requirements of his government security clearance, violation of sanctions, possible forfeiture of his companies’ government subsidies and contracts, and potential prosecution for treason and other crimes, among many other market consequences, are not downsides?

And he used to “love” Dems.

Also, being a sociopath is not mutually exclusive from being a Putin asset. If anything, it increases the chances, as it makes it easier to build krompomat.

He has always been a monumental arsehole—I have maintained that even when “loved” the Democrats and progressive movements—but that isn’t a cogent argument against what many serious security analysts believe to be the case.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

“Little-to-no downside”? You mean violation of the requirements of his government security clearance, violation of sanctions, possible forfeiture of his companies’ government subsidies and contracts, and potential prosecution for treason and other crimes, among many other market consequences, are not downsides?

And he used to “love” Dems.

Also, being a sociopath is not mutually exclusive from being a Putin asset. If anything, it increases the chances, as it makes it easier to build krompomat.

He has always been a monumental arsehole—I have maintained that even when “loved” the Democrats and progressive movements—but that isn’t a cogent argument against what many serious security analysts believe to be the case.

I'll bite. What sort of kompromat do the "security analysts" posit that Putin has on Musk? Because for the life of me, unless they have Musk stabbing someone to death on film, I can't see that anything whatsoever Putin might have would be of the slightest concern to Musk.

Elon cares fuck all about basically anything. Well, except that he - currently - hates Dems.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I'll bite. What sort of kompromat do the "security analysts" posit that Putin has on Musk? Because for the life of me, unless they have Musk stabbing someone to death on film, I can't see that anything whatsoever Putin might have would be of the slightest concern to Musk.

Elon cares fuck all about basically anything. Well, except that he - currently - hates Dems.

Evidence of child abuse, both of his own children and other minors is the prevailing theory.

But apart from the “why”, many security analysts do believe he is likely a Putin asset.

It is strange that you reject that as impossible, especially given mounting evidence of close connections in violation of his security clearances and sanctions.

And you can at least admit your assertion that there is “little-to-no downsides” for him was false?

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Evidence child abuse, both of his own children and other minors.

Cheers - that might cut it.
Next question - how the fuck would Putin - and not, say government officials in the countries where this occurred (or are you saying that this occurred on Russian soil) - have evidence of such?
And why do security analysts think that Putin has this on Musk? What has Musk done that's completely out-of-character which would require such kompromat or other blackmail-related factor to explain his actions?
Because for me, Musk doesn't give a shit about much. He wants his businesses to succeed. Beyond that, pretty much anything goes.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Cheers - that might cut it.
Next question - how the fuck would Putin - and not, say government officials in the countries where this occurred (or are you saying that this occurred on Russian soil) - have evidence of such?
And why do security analysts think that Putin has this on Musk? What has Musk done that's completely out-of-character which would require such kompromat or other factor to explain his actions?

I have literally just explained the actions he has taken that carry massive downsides that are not “out-of-character” as much as huge risks to him personally that even sociopaths that believe they are above the law usually want to avoid. Many of his recent actions are those of a desperate person, not someone in control.

So, your assertion, that security analysts—from the US, UK, Europe—are all wrong, and he is most definitely not a Putin asset?

What evidence do you have for this? Vibes?

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

I have literally just explained the actions he has taken that carry massive downsides that are not “out-of-character” as much as huge risks to him personally that even sociopaths that believe they are above the law usually want to avoid. Many of his recent actions are those of a desperate person, not someone in control.

So, your assertion, that security analysts—from the US, UK, Europe—are all wrong, and he is most definitely not a Putin asset?

What evidence do you have for this? Vibes?

With respect - https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-compromised-putin-what-we-know-1974789
is what my Google search revealed RE Musk and Putin contact.
No mention of kompromat.
And nothing that I'm at all surprised about.
From the referenced article:
"One individual familiar with the situation, however, told WSJ "They don't love it," referring to Pentagon officials' attitude to the Musk-Putin contacts.

No formal alerts have been raised over possible security breaches by Musk"

 

[SebastianBlue]

With respect - https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-compromised-putin-what-we-know-1974789
is what my Google search revealed RE Musk and Putin contact.
No mention of kompromat.
And nothing that I'm at all surprised about.

What to know about Elon Musk's reported phone calls with Putin and why it matters

Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of major government contractor SpaceX and key ally of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, has been in regular contact with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the last two years, The Wall Street Journal reported.

www.pbs.org

With respect - https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-compromised-putin-what-we-know-1974789
is what my Google search revealed RE Musk and Putin contact.
No mention of kompromat.
And nothing that I'm at all surprised about.
From the referenced article:
"One individual familiar with the situation, however, told WSJ "They don't love it," referring to Pentagon officials' attitude to the Musk-Putin contacts.

No formal alerts have been raised over possible security breaches by Musk"

Do you know what kompromat means?

Also, formal concerns have been raised for some time, well before recent revelations.

And you actually think the Pentagon is going to confirm investigations in to Musk right now, as he stumps for Trump right before the election, opening them up to accusations of interference (and potential congressional investigations later)?

Elon Musk Is a National Security Risk

Musk’s now-deleted post questioning why no one has attempted to assassinate Joe Biden and Kamala Harris renews concerns over his work for the US government—and potential to inspire extremist violence.

www.wired.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/12/musk-twitter-foreign-policy-worries/

Congress to probe Elon Musk's Starlink over allegations Russia is using its technology

House Democrats have initiated an investigation into Starlink, the Elon Musk-owned company that provides internet service via satellite, over claims Russia had access to the service to aid in its occupation of Ukraine.

www.msnbc.com

Again, can you at least admit your “little-to-no downsides” assertion was false and that you might be wrong about Musk not being a Putin asset?

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

What to know about Elon Musk's reported phone calls with Putin and why it matters

Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of major government contractor SpaceX and key ally of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, has been in regular contact with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the last two years, The Wall Street Journal reported.

www.pbs.org

Do you know what kompromat means?

Also, formal concerns have been raised for some time, well before recent revelations.

Elon Musk Is a National Security Risk

Musk’s now-deleted post questioning why no one has attempted to assassinate Joe Biden and Kamala Harris renews concerns over his work for the US government—and potential to inspire extremist violence.

www.wired.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/12/musk-twitter-foreign-policy-worries/

Congress to probe Elon Musk's Starlink over allegations Russia is using its technology

House Democrats have initiated an investigation into Starlink, the Elon Musk-owned company that provides internet service via satellite, over claims Russia had access to the service to aid in its occupation of Ukraine.

www.msnbc.com

Again, can you at least admit your “little-to-no downsides” assertion was false and that you might be wrong about Musk not being a Putin asset?

So let me get this straight...

1. You think I don't know what "kompromat" means, and that this explains why my posts are critical of your claim.

2. You subsequently post a deluge of articles about Musk's actions with Putin as proof that kompromat exists - whereas Occam's Razor - Musk is a **** who hates Dems, and possibly admires strong men, and absolutely is business first -is a much more plausible explanation.

3. You fail to account for Musk's Starlink Internet service continuing to provide Internet access to Ukraine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=In 2022, Elon Musk denied,off" Starlink coverage in Crimea.
From this Wikipedia article:
" Despite this, Starlink is considered to have become a reliable partner to Ukraine in the war,[15] and has become a substitute for modern encrypted real-time communication in warfare.[16]"

Dude - I get that Musk is not the visionary genius that Republicans claim he is - I am the originator of this entire thread making that precise claim. I have posted numerous articles in support of my position.

At the same time, your claims about Russian kompromat against Musk are - to me - unfounded -with no journalistic backing. Your cited articles notwithstanding; which all seem to be in the vein of Musk's frequent contacts with Putin are alarming - with which I entirely agree.

My contention with you is that you've somehow lept to the conclusion that kompromat exists and that's the reason to (somewhat) explain Musk's recent anti-Democrat actions.

My disagreement with your assertion is that you have zero proof of your assertion about kompromat - FUCKING ZERO.

Look - if any such proof existed, it would be headline news in all newsworthy outlets - followed quickly by Congressional action - well, at least in the Senate - to investigate/take action against/sanction/whatever - Musk. Zero such actions are currently underway to my knowledge.

Furthermore, Musk would attempt to curry favor with any government in support of his businesses - and his interactions with Putin and Xi Jinping are entirely consistent with this.

Finally - your "kompromat" argument - such as it is - fails to explain why Starlink - a Musk-owned company - would continue to supply vital Internet connectivity to Ukraine in spite of its ongoing war against Russia. Dude! - there's zero chance that Starlink would continue to provide Internet service to Ukraine if some sort of effective Russian kompromat against Musk existed.

And in closing...
FUCK YOU FOR YOUR CONDESCENDING ATTITUDE.

 

[SebastianBlue]

So let me get this straight...

1. You think I don't know what "kompromat" means, and that this explains why my posts are critical of your claim.

2. You subsequently post a deluge of articles about Musk's actions with Putin as proof that kompromat exists - whereas Occam's Razor - Musk is a **** who hates Dems, and possibly admires strong men, and absolutely is business first -is a much more plausible explanation.

3. You fail to account for Musk's Starlink Internet service continuing to provide Internet access to Ukraine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=In 2022, Elon Musk denied,off" Starlink coverage in Crimea.
From this Wikipedia article:
" Despite this, Starlink is considered to have become a reliable partner to Ukraine in the war,[15] and has become a substitute for modern encrypted real-time communication in warfare.[16]"

Dude - I get that Musk is not the visionary genius that Republicans claim he is - I am the originator of this entire thread making that precise claim. I have posted numerous articles in support of my position.

At the same time, your claims about Russian kompromat against Musk are - to me - unfounded -with no journalistic backing. Your cited articles notwithstanding; which all seem to be in the vein of Musk's frequent contacts with Putin are alarming - with which I entirely agree.

My contention with you is that you've somehow lept to the conclusion that kompromat exists and that's the factor to (somewhat) explain Musk's recent anti-Democrat actions.

My disagreement with your assertion is that you have zero proof of your assertion. Furthermore, Musk would attempt to curry favor with any government in support of his businesses - and his interactions with Putin and Xi Jinping are entirely consistent with this.

Finally - your "kompromat" argument - such as it is - fails to explain why Starlink - a Musk-owned company - would continue to supply vital Internet connectivity to Ukraine in spite of its ongoing war against Russia. Dude! - there's zero chance that Starlink would continue to provide Internet service to Ukraine if some sort of effective Russian kompromat against Musk existed.

And in closing...
FUCK YOU FOR YOUR CONDESCENDING ATTITUDE.

Very little of what you have just said actually makes sense when any sort of scrutiny is applied, including the farcical assertion that Starlink would not operate in Ukraine if Musk was a Russian asset, which shows you really have no idea how covert information warfare works. Captured assets being employed in hostile territory is literally the bread and butter of covert operations; see the Israeli pager bombings and the current us of X across the world for recent examples. Starlink operating in Ukraine would be a huge advantage for Putin, as he could have access to data and communications, without Ukraine being aware of that.

I think it is clear, given you refuse to acknowledge statements you have made are patently false (“little-to-no-downsides” being just one that makes absolutely no sense), reject credible reports supporting my claims, and just want to shout ignorant nonsense, that you just don’t want to admit you are (or could be) wrong, and instead want to double down.

And if you genuinely think various intelligence agencies (and the Pentagon) are not monitoring and/or investigating Musk’s connections and increasing interactions with Putin, in violation of sanctions and his security clearance, then I have a bit of historical infrastructure in the tristate area that I would love to sell you.

I think it is safe to say we should probably put each other on ignore at this point.

 

[Phil1]

Musk is a wrong’un. If you seek to defend him in any way shape or form the odds are you’re a wrong’un as well.