Empty seats.. worsening trend?

[moomba]

I'm not claiming a higher moral authority, I'm suggesting a scheme whereby anybody who misses over a quarter of home league games then starts to lose loyalty points for every home league game on the same seasoncard that they fail to attend because "I bought a seasoncard, I miss 15 games if I want to" is a selfish attitude that isn't in the best interests of City, and further cements supporters as nothing more than people who buy opera season tickets.

This isn't a dick measuring contest, stop trying to make it into one

What if they are sick? Caring for children or the elderley? Unable to get out of work? Abroad? Problems with transport?

And if you are going to have exemptions who at the club spends the time assessing all offenders?

The "minus loyalty points" or loss of some benefit(cityzen points/tickets for City Live etc) might make people work harder to fill their seat.

Why should people have to work as a defacto ticket agent for the club after they have already paid for theirs? Particularly if they are in one of the categories above it might not be so easy to run around knocking on doors trying to find a buyer.

 

[moomba]

I'm not claiming a higher moral authority, I'm suggesting a scheme whereby anybody who misses over a quarter of home league games then starts to lose loyalty points for every home league game on the same seasoncard that they fail to attend because "I bought a seasoncard, I miss 15 games if I want to" is a selfish attitude that isn't in the best interests of City, and further cements supporters as nothing more than people who buy opera season tickets.

This isn't a dick measuring contest, stop trying to make it into one

What if they are sick? Caring for children or the elderley? Unable to get out of work? Abroad? Problems with transport?

And if you are going to have exemptions who at the club spends the time assessing all offenders?

It's amazing how nobody is sick or committed elsewhere on Derby day!

Maybe it's a bit easier to find takers for your derby ticket than to something like Burnley? Or maybe, people book leave from work for important games, or book childcare?

It's also amazing that these hordes of families who can't get into the ground took until the morning of the match to sell out the 5k or so available tickets for the Burnley match.

 

[Damocles]

the point I was making was that missing a home game here and there is diddly squat compared to the support some give our club, something that you were calling into question with the 'responsibility' that goes with the card schtick

Those who already give lots of the support to the club have a shitload of loyalty points and aren't going to worried if they lose 1 or 2 games worth of points a season are they? That's the point, it's a scheme that effects people less the more they already support.

there's a poster on here who has missed a fair chunk of the season here due to illness, should they be dismissed so trivially too?

They aren't been trivially dismissed, they are having loyalty points taken away from them for not attending.

should we be filling in forms to request permission to miss a game?
you're allowed three no shows and that's your lot?
who determines whether my note is genuine or not, ring my mum?

No, No and No. The proposed scheme isn't a complicated one to understand, I'm not sure why you're having trouble with it.

the thread gets more laughable with every passing post

Agreed, the ridiculous reactions by some people are hilarious.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

i find this really quite patronising
last year I watched City live over fifty times, there are some will have seen them more, but they are few in number

neither you or anyone else can call judgement on whether i eat my cake or not

My priorities are usually City then City then City
However there are times when even i have to acquiesce and go on holiday or, god forbid, work and may miss a gamen.
And neither you nor Tim have any right to claim a higher moral authority about the impact leaving a seat empty has.

I have to say I'm quite surprised at the attitude of some blues towards fellow blues in this thread, mainly because, I suspect, they are unable to stiffen their gelatinous backbone against piss taking plastics on social media

The rags aren't a factor in my thinking. They rarely are because being preoccupied with the scum during the Swales era really held us back. In addition. I am from Stretford and I am used to giving as good as I get in the banter stakes etc.

Many Some poster have identified a problem (not the biggest of concerns) with empty seats in parts of the ground. Many a small number who are not representative by any stretch of the imagination of the Bluemooners have come up with solutions that could benefit fans and the club alike. Does anyone really want to see seats bought by a small minority of season card holders left vacant for the majority of the season?

so it's a small problem of little concern?

Yes it is not a big problem and yes It would be relatively small if the complimentaries were relocated and Vianogo was replaced. As I mentioned before, this has become more of an issue because people have tried to stifle debate with clichés about people being paranoid about the rags.

I think Damocles' idea of withholding or reducing loyalty points is a good one since a lot of Blues were upset with the platinum card for buying points. That's what season card holders do who don't turn up for most games

 

[moomba]

I think Damocles' idea of withholding or reducing loyalty points is a good one since a lot of Blues were upset with the platinum card for buying points. That's what season card holders do who don't turn up for most games

It is nothing like that at all.

 

[Eccles Blue]

I'm not claiming a higher moral authority, I'm suggesting a scheme whereby anybody who misses over a quarter of home league games then starts to lose loyalty points for every home league game on the same seasoncard that they fail to attend because "I bought a seasoncard, I miss 15 games if I want to" is a selfish attitude that isn't in the best interests of City, and further cements supporters as nothing more than people who buy opera season tickets.

This isn't a dick measuring contest, stop trying to make it into one

What if they are sick? Caring for children or the elderley? Unable to get out of work? Abroad? Problems with transport?

And if you are going to have exemptions who at the club spends the time assessing all offenders?

It's amazing how nobody is sick or committed elsewhere on Derby day!

Well I was!! For the first time since I got a season card I have missed quite a few matches this season and I am finding the 'holier than thou' or I'm a better fan than you because I have attended all games attitude beneath some Blues who I once had great respect for.

There are many reasons for people not attending and they have been explained on here. Also the empty seats can, possibly, be explained, as people keep telling you, by the fact that the club hold back tickets and give tickets to groups.! If you are so worried about seats then contact the club don't come on here insulting fellow Blues who could be devastated, as I was, to miss so many matches!



Rant over!

 

[Manchester1894]

What if they are sick? Caring for children or the elderley? Unable to get out of work? Abroad? Problems with transport?

And if you are going to have exemptions who at the club spends the time assessing all offenders?

The "minus loyalty points" or loss of some benefit(cityzen points/tickets for City Live etc) might make people work harder to fill their seat.

Why should people have to work as a defacto ticket agent for the club after they have already paid for theirs? Particularly if they are in one of the categories above it might not be so easy to run around knocking on doors trying to find a buyer.

They don't Moomba. If they are genuinely wanting benefit's from the club for loyalty(ie attending matches, spending money in the kiosks/club shop etc) then they will have to attend. If they don't attend, don't take a ticket away but simply remove a benfit.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

What if they are sick? Caring for children or the elderley? Unable to get out of work? Abroad? Problems with transport?

And if you are going to have exemptions who at the club spends the time assessing all offenders?

It's amazing how nobody is sick or committed elsewhere on Derby day!

Well I was!! For the first time since I got a season card I have missed quite a few matches this season and I am finding the 'holier than thou' or I'm a better fan than you because I have attended all games attitude beneath some Blues who I once had great respect for.

There are many reasons for people not attending and they have been explained on here. Also the empty seats can, possibly, be explained, as people keep telling you, by the fact that the club hold back tickets and give tickets to groups.! If you are so worried about seats then contact the club don't come on here insulting fellow Blues who could be devastated, as I was, to miss so many matches!



Rant over!

Thanks Eccles for being the exception that proves the rule! It is a shame you missed the Derby so I hope you are on the road to recovery. Did somebody else use your ticket though?

 

[franksinatra]

The rags aren't a factor in my thinking. They rarely are because being preoccupied with the scum during the Swales era really held us back. In addition. I am from Stretford and I am used to giving as good as I get in the banter stakes etc.

Many Some poster have identified a problem (not the biggest of concerns) with empty seats in parts of the ground. Many a small number who are not representative by any stretch of the imagination of the Bluemooners have come up with solutions that could benefit fans and the club alike. Does anyone really want to see seats bought by a small minority of season card holders left vacant for the majority of the season?

so it's a small problem of little concern?

Yes it is not a big problem and yes It would be relatively small if the complimentaries were relocated and Vianogo was replaced. As I mentioned before, this has become more of an issue because people have tried to stifle debate with clichés about people being paranoid about the rags.

I think Damocles' idea of withholding or reducing loyalty points is a good one since a lot of Blues were upset with the platinum card for buying points. That's what season card holders do who don't turn up for most games

You think that is a good idea? As has been pointed out we do not have a huge fanbase of supporters desperate to get tickets. For both Burnley and Sunderland (Stated on the OS as sold out at 11.55 on the day of the game) even shifting 6000 tickets over christmas is a struggle. Yet you think City should alienate the supporters base who have committed to buying tickets for 19 matches.

Could you imagine if fans started missing out on Cup Final/Derby tickets due to receiving negative loyalty points due to family/personal illness, being made redundant, bereavment, no carer to take them to the game, or even a condition which prevents attendance in winter.

Fortunately the club is not stupid enough to risk the possible negative publicity or alienation of its paying customers who have been prepared to commit the money upfront regardless of form/position. What a ridiculous suggestion.

 

[moomba]

The "minus loyalty points" or loss of some benefit(cityzen points/tickets for City Live etc) might make people work harder to fill their seat.

Why should people have to work as a defacto ticket agent for the club after they have already paid for theirs? Particularly if they are in one of the categories above it might not be so easy to run around knocking on doors trying to find a buyer.

They don't Moomba. If they are genuinely wanting benefit's from the club for loyalty(ie attending matches, spending money in the kiosks/club shop etc) then they will have to attend. If they don't attend, don't take a ticket away but simply remove a benfit.

They have shown loyalty by committing £600+ to the club at the start of the season.

Some would have been showing that sort of loyalty for decades when the club really needed it.