Empty seats.. worsening trend?

[squirtyflower]

The owner's seat is corporate / hospitality so would be exempt.

Yes some posters wouldn't like a requirement for their seat to be used for more games. We've also heard from families who couldn't get into games because of the "sold out" signs. Maybe the Bayern approach wouldn't work for us but I would like to see it tried out so we know!

Might I suggest you get a seasoncard there then, instead of trolling the posters of this forum

He's right in a roundabout way.

People buying season tickets DOES inflate the price for everybody else; it's a basic law of supply and demand. Whether they turn up or not is somewhat irrelevant to that but the theory is sound.

I also do think that anybody who buys a ticket and doesn't turn up for more than 4 games should then start to be given "negative points" where any future non-attendance will result in them losing loyalty points. Don't buy a season ticket if you're not going to turn up, pretty simple that

In that case you'd have to be taking negative points off me then
Last season we went on holiday at Christmas and Feb half term, both booked before fixtures announced for the respective weeks
I missed Liverpool and Palace, then I missed Chelsea (FA cup), Barca and Stoke.
I would also have missed Sunderland due to work but it got postponed. Potentially six games.

Being such a bad supporter you could take my points off me, but it's a little harsh as I only missed that many away games all season too! Unlike some of the moaners on here who are not seasoncard holders

PS
I'm surprised that you would support an idea postulated by those lovely Bavarian rags you so admire

 

[moomba]

Negative points for putting your money into the club.

How stupid.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Negative points for putting your money into the club.

How stupid.

In business you tend to sell to the person who provides more revenue. Other posters, including yourself, have pointed out that the people who attend games may spend money on food, travel, parking souvenirs etc.

 

[herrock]

It all points to Viagogo again. Let people sell them on at face value through the clubs own system ,. The seasoncard holder gets a bit back for his ticket and the club make a bit aswell.

 

[moomba]

Negative points for putting your money into the club.

How stupid.

In business you tend to sell to the person who provides more revenue. Other posters, including yourself, have pointed out that the people who attend games may spend money on food, travel, parking souvenirs etc.

And they may not. I don't buy anything inside the ground, should I get negative points too?

Remember the season ticket holder commits to every game, no matter how the team is playing or who the opposition is. He or she pays upfront, rather than on a game by game basis. That's worth something to the club.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Negative points for putting your money into the club.

How stupid.

In business you tend to sell to the person who provides more revenue. Other posters, including yourself, have pointed out that the people who attend games may spend money on food, travel, parking souvenirs etc.

And they may not. I don't buy anything inside the ground, should I get negative points too?

Remember the season ticket holder commits to every game, no matter how the team is playing or who the opposition is. He or she pays upfront, rather than on a game by game basis. That's worth something to the club.

Thanks Moomba. Joking aside, my team in Germany is 1860 Munich. I am wearing my Once a Blue Always a blue T shirt today and will be wearing my lucky Sky Blue 1860 scarf for tomorrow's match!

 

[Damocles]

In that case you'd have to be taking negative points off me then
Last season we went on holiday at Christmas and Feb half term, both booked before fixtures announced for the respective weeks
I missed Liverpool and Palace, then I missed Chelsea (FA cup), Barca and Stoke.
I would also have missed Sunderland due to work but it got postponed. Potentially six games.

But not 6 games on a seasoncard. 3 games on a seasoncard which would be under what I said.

Being such a bad supporter you could take my points off me, but it's a little harsh as I only missed that many away games all season too! Unlike some of the moaners on here who are not seasoncard holders

PS
I'm surprised that you would support an idea postulated by those lovely Bavarian rags you so admire

Just because I hate the club doesn't mean that every single thing is wrong purely because they do it. That would be an insane position for anybody to take.

Negative points for putting your money into the club.

How stupid.

There are supporters who will put the same money into the club but actually attend matches. You cannot have it both ways; you can't claim fans are an essential part of matchday and we desperately need to do something about an atmosphere, then on the other hand say that its no problem at all if fans want to miss 75% of the matches because they put money into the club.

Either fans are in a partnership with the club and share a responsibility, or fans are paying customers and don't share a responsibility.

You can't have your cake and eat it here.

 

[squirtyflower]

In that case you'd have to be taking negative points off me then
Last season we went on holiday at Christmas and Feb half term, both booked before fixtures announced for the respective weeks
I missed Liverpool and Palace, then I missed Chelsea (FA cup), Barca and Stoke.
I would also have missed Sunderland due to work but it got postponed. Potentially six games.

But not 6 games on a seasoncard. 3 games on a seasoncard which would be under what I said.

Splitting hairs mate
I'm on the cup schemes so it was five no-shows, absolutely shocking

 

[moomba]

In that case you'd have to be taking negative points off me then
Last season we went on holiday at Christmas and Feb half term, both booked before fixtures announced for the respective weeks
I missed Liverpool and Palace, then I missed Chelsea (FA cup), Barca and Stoke.
I would also have missed Sunderland due to work but it got postponed. Potentially six games.

But not 6 games on a seasoncard. 3 games on a seasoncard which would be under what I said.

Being such a bad supporter you could take my points off me, but it's a little harsh as I only missed that many away games all season too! Unlike some of the moaners on here who are not seasoncard holders

PS
I'm surprised that you would support an idea postulated by those lovely Bavarian rags you so admire

Just because I hate the club doesn't mean that every single thing is wrong purely because they do it. That would be an insane position for anybody to take.

Negative points for putting your money into the club.

How stupid.

There are supporters who will put the same money into the club but actually attend matches. You cannot have it both ways; you can't claim fans are an essential part of matchday and we desperately need to do something about an atmosphere, then on the other hand say that its no problem at all if fans want to miss 75% of the matches because they put money into the club.

Either fans are in a partnership with the club and share a responsibility, or fans are paying customers and don't share a responsibility.

You can't have your cake and eat it here.

I don't have a problem with the atmosphere. It is what it is.

 

[Damocles]

But you're so bothered about how something could potentially effect you that you're not looking at the bigger picture.

Are we as fans an essential part of the matchday where we can help the team using our atmosphere and attendence? I think most would agree with that.

If we are, and you buy into the idea that football clubs are not an entertainment brand but instead are a group effort between the club, players, management, fans, club staff, everybody to pull in the same direction, then we hold a form of responsibility to do our own part.

If you don't buy into that idea then we're customers watching an entertainment product and nothing more than that. I don't see any middle ground here - we either have some responsibility towards the club greater than giving them some money or we don't and we are a separate entity.

People cannot do their part if they are consistently not there. A seasoncard entitles you to 18 games. 4 games is around 22% of that, almost a quarter. I'm not suggesting that people should get their seasoncards revoked for not turning up but that there should be some form of deterrent for a fan who misses over a quarter of the home league games, and subtracting loyalty points seems like a really good idea to me. If it's a one off then it's not a problem as one or two matches of loyalty points aren't going to twat your chances of getting a ticket anywhere. The newer fans who buy the tickets but never turn up wouldn't get priority and we won't have a situation where people buy a seasoncard then show up for about 5 games a season either because next year they wouldn't be able to renew due to having negative loyalty points.

It fixes all of the problems in one fell swoop