Southgate got the job by default due to greedy fat Sam trying to make even more money. He then got lucky in a couple of tournaments but we still failed in both, the Euro's due to his turgid style and tactics in the final. He is perfect for the FA though. He looks smart in a suit and is polite and politically correct. I watched the game in a bar in Tenerife that luckily had it on with no sound while a singer was on. Still it cheered the jocks in the bar up us getting beat until I told them they had nothing to crow about as they are worse than us.
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England Thread - 2022/23
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Lovebitesandeveryfing
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I thought about starting a new thread for this, but it doesn't quite seem to warrant its own one.
Here's my question.
When was the last time, in your opinion, that the England national team had a genuinely ‘big’ manager? I mean by this a manager of vision, of excellent tactical sense, and finely tuned man management skills. A manager equal to what is supposed to be the most prestigious appointment in the land?
N.b. this might includes managers who just didn't have a gifted generation of footballers to hand (which is emphaticaly not the present case, in my view). Their success might have been hamstrung by that.
My own view is that it probably goes back to Bobby Robson. Yes, as far back as that. He got us to a world cup semi-final, and we were desperately unlucky to lose it. I felt at the time, and I feel now, that that was a team that should have won the world cup. There was a good fit, for once, between manager and players. I honestly did not feel that about the team that Southgate got to the semi-final in Russia.
Here's my question.
When was the last time, in your opinion, that the England national team had a genuinely ‘big’ manager? I mean by this a manager of vision, of excellent tactical sense, and finely tuned man management skills. A manager equal to what is supposed to be the most prestigious appointment in the land?
N.b. this might includes managers who just didn't have a gifted generation of footballers to hand (which is emphaticaly not the present case, in my view). Their success might have been hamstrung by that.
My own view is that it probably goes back to Bobby Robson. Yes, as far back as that. He got us to a world cup semi-final, and we were desperately unlucky to lose it. I felt at the time, and I feel now, that that was a team that should have won the world cup. There was a good fit, for once, between manager and players. I honestly did not feel that about the team that Southgate got to the semi-final in Russia.
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Watched the first half hour and fell asleep ( Amstel lager does that) and woke up at midnight. Didn’t even bother to see what the result was till I came on here.
Love them to win it but I think the winner will come from South AmericaBelgium 14/1 for WC anyone
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Nah, they always wimp out, alwaysBelgium 14/1 for WC anyone
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Brazil v Argentina final would do me, not sure if they are down to meet before then mindLove them to win it but I think the winner will come from South America
Lovebitesandeveryfing
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Still it cheered the jocks in the bar up us getting beat until I told them they had nothing to crow about as they are worse than us.
That's true, but it's small consolation, isn't it? Who in England really gives a toss about the fortunes of the Scottish national team, after all?
Bobby Robson. Everyone raves about el tel but that tournament was on home soil and apart from the 4-1 against the Dutch england scraped through to the semis in fact were very lucky to beat Spain . The 90 Italia team was quality .I thought about starting a new thread for this, but it doesn't quite seem to warrant its own one.
Here's my question.
When was the last time, in your opinion, that the England national team had a genuinely ‘big’ manager? I mean by this a manager of vision, of excellent tactical sense, and finely tuned man management skills. A manager equal to what is supposed to be the most prestigious appointment in the land?
N.b. this might includes managers who just didn't have a gifted generation of footballers to hand (which is emphaticaly not the present case, in my view). Their success might have been hamstrung by that.
My own view is that it probably goes back to Bobby Robson. Yes, as far back as that. He got us to a world cup semi-final, and we were desperately unlucky to lose it. I felt at the time, and I feel now, that that was a team that should have won the world cup. There was a good fit, for once, between manager and players. I honestly did not feel that about the team that Southgate got to the semi-final in Russia.
Lovebitesandeveryfing
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Bobby Robson. Everyone raves about el tel but that tournament was on home soil and apart from the 4-1 against the Dutch england scraped through to the semis in fact were very lucky to beat Spain . The 90 Italia team was quality .
I entirely agree with your assessment of Venables.
Thinking back to Ramsey. He was not a ‘great’ manager, as I understand it, but he was exactly the right manager for that team and its qualities. He saw what they could do, he got them to do it to the limits of their abilities, he did not try to get them to do what they could not do. Ball was a more limited player than we usually realise, but he was excellent in and for that team. Peters, to be fair, would have been excellent in any England team. So, obviously, would Moore.
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