England v Croatia | Euro 2020 Group Stage

hilts said:
More than the 90 and 96 teams?
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If you look at and re-visit the 90 and 96 tournaments England were not that great and between them there were only 2 games which England were good
England Vs Germany 90
England Vs Holland 96

England in 90 the group games were awful. Boring draw vs Ireland, non-event vs Holland and just scrapped past Eygpt. Vs Belgium, they dominated us and England only had 2 shot on goal, one of which was Platt's winning goal. Against Cameroon they bullied us for 60 minutes and if it wasn't for they defending really poorly we would of gone out.

Against Germany that was the first we played really well for the entire game and were unlucky not to win.

Euro 96 was pretty much the same.

Poor against Switzerland. Played ok vs Scotland but the game is always remembered for that brilliant Gazza goal. Against Holland we were brilliant

The Spain game was awful. Both teams trying not to lose rather than win and against Germany after a great start we went into our shell and they dominated against us until extra time when we played much better and Gazza nearly won it for us.

The point I'm making is that there seems to be a lot of romance about those tournaments and I think that's because we made the semis and in Euro 96 especially the whole country went football mad but when you look at it from a football perspective England were not very good in both those tournaments but people seem just to remember the dramatic moments which happened to England in a couple of the games
 
kippaxwarrior said:
If you look at and re-visit the 90 and 96 tournaments England were not that great and between them there were only 2 games which England were good
England Vs Germany 90
England Vs Holland 96

England in 90 the group games were awful. Boring draw vs Ireland, non-event vs Holland and just scrapped past Eygpt. Vs Belgium, they dominated us and England only had 2 shot on goal, one of which was Platt's winning goal. Against Cameroon they bullied us for 60 minutes and if it wasn't for they defending really poorly we would of gone out.

Against Germany that was the first we played really well for the entire game and were unlucky not to win.

Euro 96 was pretty much the same.

Poor against Switzerland. Played ok vs Scotland but the game is always remembered for that brilliant Gazza goal. Against Holland we were brilliant

The Spain game was awful. Both teams trying not to lose rather than win and against Germany after a great start we went into our shell and they dominated against us until extra time when we played much better and Gazza nearly won it for us.

The point I'm making is that there seems to be a lot of romance about those tournaments and I think that's because we made the semis and in Euro 96 especially the whole country went football mad but when you look at it from a football perspective England were not very good in both those tournaments but people seem just to remember the dramatic moments which happened to England in a couple of the games
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I think what past tournaments show us is that teams tend not to perform well from beginning to the end. A team tends to grow into it and the team often changes. Those 2 teams were the only ones where I felt they had all the boxes ticked to actually win something.

Both those semis were a coin flip with the 2 best teams going head to head. I think also the quality of opponents was higher in those tournaments.


I lost interest following the golden generation fiasco
 
hilts said:
I think what past tournaments show us is that teams tend not to perform well from beginning to the end. A team tends to grow into it and the team often changes. Those 2 teams were the only ones where I felt they had all the boxes ticked to actually win something.

Both those semis were a coin flip with the 2 best teams going head to head. I think also the quality of opponents was higher in those tournaments.


I lost interest following the golden generation fiasco
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Teams do though

Brazil 70
France 84
France 98 & 2000
Spain 08 & 2010
Germany 2014

All those teams were consistently good throughout the tournament

With England out of 5/6/7 games in a tourement they may have 1 or even 2 games where they look really good and the rest of the games they look average. Im expecting us to beat Scotland and The Cezch Republic but laying in wait are France/Germany/Portugal in the next round and when England up against good teams more likely than not they fail
 
England dominated early as I thought they would - but somehow ran out of gas (hot weather?) - beats me why.

Croatia came into the game after about 20 minutes or so - and might well have scored.
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In the end, England were the better side - but letting Croatia come back into the game was unduly risky.
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As an aside - I live in the USA. The ESPN coverage I was forced to watch for this game - Ian Darke plus Taylor Twellman was OK to goodish - I had no problem enjoying the game.
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I was also interested in watching Ukraine v. Netherlands - very much so. But for the life of me, I cannot tolerate Alejandro Moreno - and as I've now looked up - Cangialosi - who was paired with him - and was blaringly loud - very, very, very loud due to some sort of microphone/sound issue.

Anyhow, Moreno made me not watch the game and the microphone issue just made it even worse.

Honestly, any Fox football broadcast is almost certainly awful - unwatchable - and ESPN isn't far behind.

The only consistently watchable broadcasts are from - I think?- CNN/CBS - which feature a half-time hosted by the excellent Kate Abdo... fucking awful overall American coverage of my favorite sport - except that NBC and whatever network Kate is on - is very good/watchable.
 
wayne71 said:
City style? I must have been watching a different game :)

I think Southgate is championship level at best, someone like Mancini would have him on toast.

He seems a nice guy but I think this squad deserves better.
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Yeah the inverted wingbacks, the passing triangles, the keeper playing like what Eddie does, the emotional commitment from the players, building from the back, the glut of city players in the squad playing the same style they play at their club. The international team have learnt from pep... You missed all of that?

Nonetheless Southgate got England to the wc semi, we're looking good right now, we've played one game in the euros but yeah people are still unhappy. Lol crazy.

Is it his beard or something? I just don't get this dislike for someone who hasn't even finished yet.
 
ROCKET80 said:
To be fair Beanie could have got us to the semi-finals of that competition, we had such a nice path and we nearly messed it up.

A late injury-time winner after a dismal performance against Tunisia, an easy victory over Panama followed by our understrength team being outclassed by Belgium's understrength team.

We went through on penalties against Colombia, the winners of the poorest group, followed by a favourable quarter-final v Sweden (the easiest opposition in the quarters).

The first decent opposition we came up against we lost, had we had a better tactician we may have even won the game.

Not Southgate's fault, he steadied the ship but should he leave his England role he'll be lucky to land a job in the Championship.
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And Bobby Robson only faced Belgium and Cameroon (and still nearly lost) and actually lost when we came up against quality opposition.

You can twist anything towards your narrative, it certainly doesn't mean it's true, just biased.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I've not followed the thread, but I agree with you. Not so much awful as just invisible.
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He didn't seem to work at all in the system England played. Every other player seemed to know the game plan and their role within it but Kane just seemed to wander about wherever he fancied and mostly just got in the way.
There were numerous times where we were breaking forward in the wide areas but no one was in the middle waiting for the ball to come in as Kane was so much slower at getting forward than everyone else he was still jogging forward.
He didn't seem to understand his role in the team or have the discipline to hold his position and wait for the ball to come to him in and around the box, he kept moving towards where the ball was rather than being where someone could get the ball to him.
He's a very good player but you get the feeling you have to very much build the team around him rather than ask him to play his part of a team effort to get anything worthwhile from him.
 
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