England V Italy, Quarter Final 2012 (merged)

[Latics Fan SJK]

Re: England V Italy, Quarter Final 2012.

No, I won't care, and if the St. George's flags come out and people start celebrating it will show them as hypocrites who were as quiet as mice when the tournament started and throughout the group stages, bandwagon jumpers like the Rags.

Like the lad who's the best in the world at Taekwondo and not getting picked for the Olympics, not picking the best English footballers for the England team to me is wrong and pretty much a disgrace, all national teams should be based on merit not managerial favourites or stupid authority regulations.

That's my stance and it won't change.

Hypocrites you say?

When Tevez was away playing golf for 6 months and you was slating him to hell and back, only to then see him come back at a pivotal moment in the season and play a big part in wining City the trophy, were you cheering his name then? I bet you was.

Why? Because it's not a case of being hypocrites, it's the fickle nature of football fans as a whole.

For once, England supporters and the media decided not to hype us up, and rightly so after tournament after tournament of failure. Suddenly, we seem to be doing better than expected, and the excitement has come back to a lot of people and yet you find that wrong.

I'm guessing you have followed football for years and if so, you will notice how peoples opinions on all things football change all the time. I bet there's a number of players in City's history who at first, you may have shouted the odd' he's shit, not good enough' comments or 'the **** better fuck off from my club' only to then cheer when he scores or sets up an important goal.

it's completely different.

what Tevez does off the pitch and on the pitch are two seperate things.

England fans who didn't back their team until they get this far are hypocrites, simple as.

WHAT???

Tevez's golf practice was a consequence of his actions when he refused to go 'on the pitch.

If you take the stance of 'I couldn't care less what someone does off the pitch, it's about what he does on it', then why the need for Terry to get humiliated or for Rooney to play shit/get injured etc?

I'm fairly sure England fans did back their team from the start, maybe not to win it, but to back them none the less.

I don't back Oldham to get promoted next year. Yet, if we find ourselves in the top 2 in April then I will.

 

[hilts]

I predict we will play 4 4 2 with two rigid banks of four with massive gaps to our saviour rooney and welbeck, we will have about 40%-45% possesion which will mainly consist of hoofing the ball back towards the half way line, we will at some point string 4 sideways passes together.

Hopefully a set piece or an Italian fuck up means we win the game, if we can also fluke our way past the germans/spanish we can become truly the worst footballing team ever to win a trophy

we are progressing wonderfully under hodgson who is indeed a genius, two banks of four i dont know where he gets such inventive coaching from

be proud be english

Clearly you haven't got a fucking clue about football if you think all there is to a 4-4-2 formation is two banks of 4 and basically the same as any other 4-4-2.

There's many different managers out there employing 4-4-2's and each one will have their own variations on how they work.

are we playing 442 with 2 staright lines of four sitting deep yes or no? i was talking about how england are playing as this is what the thread is about, if you think england are playing well or scraping through games is progress then it is your football knowledge that is shit

your a typical clueless england fan that has no idea how the game should be played

good luck with the rest of the tournament though

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Re: England V Italy, Quarter Final 2012.

Hypocrites you say?

When Tevez was away playing golf for 6 months and you was slating him to hell and back, only to then see him come back at a pivotal moment in the season and play a big part in wining City the trophy, were you cheering his name then? I bet you was.

Why? Because it's not a case of being hypocrites, it's the fickle nature of football fans as a whole.

For once, England supporters and the media decided not to hype us up, and rightly so after tournament after tournament of failure. Suddenly, we seem to be doing better than expected, and the excitement has come back to a lot of people and yet you find that wrong.

I'm guessing you have followed football for years and if so, you will notice how peoples opinions on all things football change all the time. I bet there's a number of players in City's history who at first, you may have shouted the odd' he's shit, not good enough' comments or 'the **** better fuck off from my club' only to then cheer when he scores or sets up an important goal.

it's completely different.

what Tevez does off the pitch and on the pitch are two seperate things.

England fans who didn't back their team until they get this far are hypocrites, simple as.

WHAT???

Tevez's golf practice was a consequence of his actions when he refused to go 'on the pitch.

If you take the stance of 'I couldn't care less what someone does off the pitch, it's about what he does on it', then why the need for Terry to get humiliated or for Rooney to play shit/get injured etc?

I'm fairly sure England fans did back their team from the start, maybe not to win it, but to back them none the less.

I don't back Oldham to get promoted next year. Yet, if we find ourselves in the top 2 in April then I will.

I've not said I want Rooney injured, on the contrary I said he was England's best striker and should play.

Terry abused Ferdinand on the pitch(allegedly), and I also don't think he's better than Rio or Jagielka and has stopped several players being called up because of his incident with Anton.

That's why.

What you're basically saying is you'll stop supporting Oldham till they reach the Prem and then bring all the flags out and start supporting them again, like the Rags really.

Tevez works hard on the pitch and scores goals, whether he's a **** off it or not doesn't matter for those 90 minutes.

And like I've said before, by its very nature the national team represents the people and therefore it should be picked on merit, completely different to the club game where it comes down to personal choice.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I predict we will play 4 4 2 with two rigid banks of four with massive gaps to our saviour rooney and welbeck, we will have about 40%-45% possesion which will mainly consist of hoofing the ball back towards the half way line, we will at some point string 4 sideways passes together.

Hopefully a set piece or an Italian fuck up means we win the game, if we can also fluke our way past the germans/spanish we can become truly the worst footballing team ever to win a trophy

we are progressing wonderfully under hodgson who is indeed a genius, two banks of four i dont know where he gets such inventive coaching from

be proud be english

Clearly you haven't got a fucking clue about football if you think all there is to a 4-4-2 formation is two banks of 4 and basically the same as any other 4-4-2.

There's many different managers out there employing 4-4-2's and each one will have their own variations on how they work.

are we playing 442 with 2 staright lines of four sitting deep yes or no? i was talking about how england are playing as this is what the thread is about, if you think england are playing well or scraping through games is progress then it is your football knowledge that is shit

your a typical clueless england fan that has no idea how the game should be played

good luck with the rest of the tournament though

Maybe we needed the tactics that Russians, Dutch, Swedish, Croatians employed ?

So far our tactics have made us unbeaten and topped our group, your the typical clueless england fan mate not us, bet you cant wait for us to lose so you can tell everyone how much you hate England and how shit they are. Pathetic

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

I predict we will play 4 4 2 with two rigid banks of four with massive gaps to our saviour rooney and welbeck, we will have about 40%-45% possesion which will mainly consist of hoofing the ball back towards the half way line, we will at some point string 4 sideways passes together.

Hopefully a set piece or an Italian fuck up means we win the game, if we can also fluke our way past the germans/spanish we can become truly the worst footballing team ever to win a trophy

we are progressing wonderfully under hodgson who is indeed a genius, two banks of four i dont know where he gets such inventive coaching from

be proud be english

Clearly you haven't got a fucking clue about football if you think all there is to a 4-4-2 formation is two banks of 4 and basically the same as any other 4-4-2.

There's many different managers out there employing 4-4-2's and each one will have their own variations on how they work.

are we playing 442 with 2 staright lines of four sitting deep yes or no? i was talking about how england are playing as this is what the thread is about, if you think england are playing well or scraping through games is progress then it is your football knowledge that is shit

your a typical clueless england fan that has no idea how the game should be played

good luck with the rest of the tournament though

Fucking hell. I'm clueless?

Yes, we're playing with a rigid 4-4-2. Sitting deep and playing on the Counter. Thing is, it seems to be working at the moment because Roy seems to be getting a little bit extra out of certain individuals than what other managers seem to have failed at.

There's no doubt we aren't setting the world alight and could try to keep the ball better but it's the work off the ball that's improved a lot, rather than work with the ball.

If you think we should be playing short, passing football like Spain, or powerful, direct and creative play like Germany, with the personnel we have in our team, then the only clueless one around here is you.

Look at the team we have. We don't have a Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Schweinsteiger, Ribery. We have a decent team AT BEST.

The sooner you realise that instead of getting tangled up in your Football Manager world where no matter what players you have, play 4-5-1/4-3-3 with anyone and tweek a few things and we suddenly become Brazil, the day you welcome yourself back to reality on the current state of English football.

 

[BezzMCFC]

england have been playing shit but getting the wins, it doesnt matter as long as they win.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Re: England V Italy, Quarter Final 2012.

it's completely different.

what Tevez does off the pitch and on the pitch are two seperate things.

England fans who didn't back their team until they get this far are hypocrites, simple as.

WHAT???

Tevez's golf practice was a consequence of his actions when he refused to go 'on the pitch.

If you take the stance of 'I couldn't care less what someone does off the pitch, it's about what he does on it', then why the need for Terry to get humiliated or for Rooney to play shit/get injured etc?

I'm fairly sure England fans did back their team from the start, maybe not to win it, but to back them none the less.

I don't back Oldham to get promoted next year. Yet, if we find ourselves in the top 2 in April then I will.

I've not said I want Rooney injured, on the contrary I said he was England's best striker and should play.

Terry abused Ferdinand on the pitch(allegedly), and I also don't think he's better than Rio or Jagielka and has stopped several players being called up because of his incident with Anton.

That's why.

What you're basically saying is you'll stop supporting Oldham till they reach the Prem and then bring all the flags out and start supporting them again, like the Rags really.

Tevez works hard on the pitch and scores goals, whether he's a **** off it or not doesn't matter for those 90 minutes.

And like I've said before, by its very nature the national team represents the people and therefore it should be picked on merit, completely different to the club game where it comes down to personal choice.

You're saying because I don't back us to get promoted next season but if we're in the top 3 in April, I will, I'm suddenly of the 'gloryhunter' material?

There's a difference between realism and blind optimism. I'll support Oldham when we're in League Two (which is more likely than the Championship at the moment) or the fucking BSP, just because I see no chance in seeing us promoted this season, to suddenly find myself getting all excited should we be top2 in April doesn't make me a part of the bandwagon jumping ilk.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Clearly you haven't got a fucking clue about football if you think all there is to a 4-4-2 formation is two banks of 4 and basically the same as any other 4-4-2.

There's many different managers out there employing 4-4-2's and each one will have their own variations on how they work.

are we playing 442 with 2 staright lines of four sitting deep yes or no? i was talking about how england are playing as this is what the thread is about, if you think england are playing well or scraping through games is progress then it is your football knowledge that is shit

your a typical clueless england fan that has no idea how the game should be played

good luck with the rest of the tournament though

Fucking hell. I'm clueless?

Yes, we're playing with a rigid 4-4-2. Sitting deep and playing on the Counter. Thing is, it seems to be working at the moment because Roy seems to be getting a little bit extra out of certain individuals than what other managers seem to have failed at.

There's no doubt we aren't setting the world alight and could try to keep the ball better but it's the work off the ball that's improved a lot, rather than work with the ball.

If you think we should be playing short, passing football like Spain, or powerful, direct and creative play like Germany, with the personnel we have in our team, then the only clueless one around here is you.

Look at the team we have. We don't have a Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Schweinsteiger, Ribery. We have a decent team AT BEST.

The sooner you realise that instead of getting tangled up in your Football Manager world where no matter what players you have, play 4-5-1/4-3-3 with anyone and tweek a few things and we suddenly become Brazil, the day you welcome yourself back to reality on the current state of English football.

Seems to me, people expected us to fail - wanted us to fail from the start. If they start supporting England now then that would be ''Hypocritical'' so they will slag us off ... no doubt if we beat Italy people will just say the usual ''We were shit, Hodgson clueless , were just lucky, no chance we will beat Germany '' zzzzzzz

 

[hilts]

Clearly you haven't got a fucking clue about football if you think all there is to a 4-4-2 formation is two banks of 4 and basically the same as any other 4-4-2.

There's many different managers out there employing 4-4-2's and each one will have their own variations on how they work.

are we playing 442 with 2 staright lines of four sitting deep yes or no? i was talking about how england are playing as this is what the thread is about, if you think england are playing well or scraping through games is progress then it is your football knowledge that is shit

your a typical clueless england fan that has no idea how the game should be played

good luck with the rest of the tournament though

Fucking hell. I'm clueless?

Yes, we're playing with a rigid 4-4-2. Sitting deep and playing on the Counter. Thing is, it seems to be working at the moment because Roy seems to be getting a little bit extra out of certain individuals than what other managers seem to have failed at.

There's no doubt we aren't setting the world alight and could try to keep the ball better but it's the work off the ball that's improved a lot, rather than work with the ball.

If you think we should be playing short, passing football like Spain, or powerful, direct and creative play like Germany, with the personnel we have in our team, then the only clueless one around here is you.

Look at the team we have. We don't have a Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Schweinsteiger, Ribery. We have a decent team AT BEST.

The sooner you realise that instead of getting tangled up in your Football Manager world where no matter what players you have, play 4-5-1/4-3-3 with anyone and tweek a few things and we suddenly become Brazil, the day you welcome yourself back to reality on the current state of English football.

yeah thats what i said tweak a few things and we would be like brazil, good arguement make things up, well done

we not been able to keep hold of the ball and do the basics for a long time, do we try to rectify this? no we sit deep and hope to get lucky, i want england to be a good side its just the half wits in charge are clueless, you should get a job with the fa

 

[BlueHammer85]

are we playing 442 with 2 staright lines of four sitting deep yes or no? i was talking about how england are playing as this is what the thread is about, if you think england are playing well or scraping through games is progress then it is your football knowledge that is shit

your a typical clueless england fan that has no idea how the game should be played

good luck with the rest of the tournament though

Fucking hell. I'm clueless?

Yes, we're playing with a rigid 4-4-2. Sitting deep and playing on the Counter. Thing is, it seems to be working at the moment because Roy seems to be getting a little bit extra out of certain individuals than what other managers seem to have failed at.

There's no doubt we aren't setting the world alight and could try to keep the ball better but it's the work off the ball that's improved a lot, rather than work with the ball.

If you think we should be playing short, passing football like Spain, or powerful, direct and creative play like Germany, with the personnel we have in our team, then the only clueless one around here is you.

Look at the team we have. We don't have a Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Schweinsteiger, Ribery. We have a decent team AT BEST.

The sooner you realise that instead of getting tangled up in your Football Manager world where no matter what players you have, play 4-5-1/4-3-3 with anyone and tweek a few things and we suddenly become Brazil, the day you welcome yourself back to reality on the current state of English football.

yeah thats what i said tweak a few things and we would be like brazil, good arguement make things up, well done

we not been able to keep hold of the ball and do the basics for a long time, do we try to rectify this? no we sit deep and hope to get lucky, i want england to be a good side its just the half wits in charge are clueless, you should get a job with the fa

were just England supporters mate, your the one that clearly knows better than Hodgson and the rest of the coaching staff - If only we had you in charge we would be doing much better than all these games were winning!