England vs Romania | Sunday 6th June 2021

[mexico1970]

I suspect the vast majority are fully behind the anti racism message,but not the gesture.
Irrespective of what the FA state,gven its Political connotations and association with a murdered criminal,it has always been a controversial and divisive action.It now looks like its doing more harm than good as disharmony has entered our grounds,the atmosphere will be negative/toxic and that energy will be affecting the players.

Would a different gesture make a difference? i'm not convinced.......as the racists amongst us won't stop being that way because of the players displaying an action of solidarity.Its part of a persons makeup and engrained in their character,so i'm not sure where the answer lies?

I for one can't get my head around how people can still hold racist views or irrational opinions based on the colour of someone's skin or where they are born.

Ignorant people are always going to be with us and taking a knee isn't going to achieve anything IMO, many of the countries have stopped taking a knee after the initial effect wore off. Personally I don't care if they take the knee for how long they want to but it isn't either going to make me a racist or indeed stop a racist from being a racist.

 

[domalino]

ultimately the more it continues the more it will get booed, and the more people try to suppress the booing the more vociferous it will become. "Human" nature.

And the more people boo a peaceful protest against racism, the longer the players will do it.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I for one can't get my head around how people can still hold racist views or irrational opinions based on the colour of someone's skin or where they are born.

Ignorant people are always going to be with us and taking a knee isn't going to achieve anything IMO, many of the countries have stopped taking a knee after the initial effect wore off. Personally I don't care if they take the knee for how long they want to but it isn't either going to make me a racist or indeed stop a racist from being a racist.

Upbringing,teachings.experiences,frames of reference,environment,even age.......all sorts of reasons.Thankfully i genuiney believe such characters are very much now a minority.
Discrimination is not acceptable in any form,people are getting the message.

 

[IH8MUFC]

Don't go to the fucking match then.

It's not a surprise to anyone that the players were going to kneel, if them making a gesture against racism for 7 seconds is too much for you to bear when trying to escape your "every day realities", don't go.



This is a classic. "I'm just exercising my right to free speech when I tell you not to use your right to free speech!!!"

They have said it's for equality now. Part of the problem with this is what player's support or are being forced to support. They don't come out and complain about people working in sweatshops so they can make millions for their boot deals. There's a lot to pick apart if they want to act hollier than thou.

 

[Robinho's Subbuteo]

Haven't read the whole thread, has it been mentioned that Grealish is a cheating ****?

 

[domalino]

They have said it's for equality now. Part of the problem with this is what player's support or are being forced to support. They don't come out and complain about people working in sweatshops so they can make millions for their boot deals. There's a lot to pick apart if they want to act hollier than thou.

They have said it's for equality since about 1 week into it.

Your "you cannot campaign for anything unless you are completely perfect and have never done anything wrong" line is a tactic people have been using to try and quash movement for racial equality since abolition was being debated.

People don't have to be absolutely faultless to ask to not be racially abused or discriminated against.

 

[Rascal]

Rather than taking the knee they should threaten to stop playing unless fifa/uefa Etc introduce proper sanctions or start implementing them instead of paltry fines etc
Like the rangers issue with salvia Prague in Europa league, uefa should be throwing them cunts out of the tournament
If people kicked up a fuss like the super league did it may make a difference

The players should have just walked off the moment the booing started and if the FA had any balls they would issue a statement saying that no England game will ever take place again in any stadium where fans boo the players for taking an antiracist stance and if it still persists withdraw England from all international football.

The people in the crowd booing are actually of the mind that the England team are Marxist's who support defunding the police. Marcus Rashford the feeder of poor kids is an actual Marxist in their small idiotic brains. I would imagine the only Marx most of them have ever known is the one that opened a shop with Spencer.

I have long disassociated myself from the England team because of the moronic support that follows it around. Halfwits singing sectarian ditties and songs about WW2 is embarrassing. What a small minded pathetic country we look when these morons travel the world spouting their bile.

Sadly I feel for the players, I feel for Marcus Rashford, imagine how proud he would have felt yesterday being given the captaincy of his country and then be booed, booed not for missing a penalty or making a mistake, but being booed for taking a stance against racism. Imagine his team mates, who no doubt shared his delight at him being honoured in such a way and then hearing boo's. How can you feel as a white lad proud to play for his country being in the same changing room as a lad who is being booed for having a different coloured skin. How do you as a white lad explain that to a team mate. You support him and then get booed as well, what message does that send to aspiring footballers across the land.

I wish every footballer had at least 1/10th of the dignity of Marcus Rashford, the world would be a better place for it.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

And the more people boo a peaceful protest against racism, the longer the players will do it.

if the likes of Wilf Zaha can see it for what it is, then I think the fact it's been completely undermined will mean that it gets revised or becomes more intermittent. Ultimately, it just gives more oxygen to that lot and in a safer environment to express themselves than slanging racist abuse on Twitter which they now occasionally get done for.

If the players can take it, fair play to them sticking to their morals.

 

[Grassland Blue]

Don't go to the fucking match then.

It's not a surprise to anyone that the players were going to kneel, if them making a gesture against racism for 7 seconds is too much for you to bear when trying to escape your "every day realities", don't go.

This 'taking the knee' is about an appalling incident that took place in America.
The American owners of LFC saw fit to first stage the protest at Anfield.
Now if Liverpools owners, or for
that matter any other team owned by America, wish to 'take the knee' then that is up to them, but I don't see why the rest of P/L should blindly folliw suit.
(What about Middle Eastern lives matter?)
City were the first club to sign a German player after the war, so we can hardly be a club that can be considered racist.

This is a classic. "I'm just exercising my right to free speech when I tell you not to use your right to free speech!!!"

 

[domalino]

if the likes of Wilf Zaha can see it for what it is, then I think the fact it's been completely undermined will mean that it gets revised or becomes more intermittent.

I'd love to know why Wilfred Zaha is the enlightened one in the right, and "can see it for what it is", but not the hundreds of black footballers who are kneeling?

It wouldn't be simply because he's the 0.1% of footballers that agrees with you?

What makes Wilfred Zaha's opinion on kneeling hold more merit than Sterling's? Or Rashford's?