English Histree

Saddleworth2 said:
Yes we stood alone against the Nazi hordes whilst the rest of the British empire just watched. Those Poles were just a bloody nuisance too. They couldn't even speak english.
God I feel so much better for that.
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You don't understand how the British Empire functioned and the ties that bound it, primarily the ties to its white constituents.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Then why say we we stood alone?

Oh god. I'm not going round that bloody wheel again.

Yes we stood alone against the Nazi hordes whilst the rest of the British empire just watched. Those Poles were just a bloody nuisance too. They couldn't even speak english.
God I feel so much better for that.
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Two Gun Bob said:
I am sorry for the late reply as I had to go to shopping to Aldi, they are German and they really do look after us. Only £4.70 for a full kilo of chicken breast and am amazed how they do it. Maybe it has something to do with their organizational skill-set and efficiency that keeps their cost so low.
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Or maybe they are not as greedy as the capitalists who run British supermarkets.
Two Gun Bob said:
Britain is unashamedly an exceptionalist with that rarest of conditions of being different from the norm. We are innovative, incredibly inventive, generous, decent, and also Great .. Yes Great and that is why they even included in our name.
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If we are so great why are there people going hungry, why are there homeless on the streets, why are we one of the most unequal nations on the planet, no amount of faux patriotic fervour escapes those facts. Great is just short for Greater as in Greater Britain, the British Isles also includes lesser Ireland, but we dont call them Least Ireland.
Two Gun Bob said:
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It's difficult to debate nuances as you are set in your ways, and could even have been a successful politician with that uncanny ability to evade and distort what's been said.
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Says you with your historical revisionism
Two Gun Bob said:
On the other hand I am aware like most that we have wronged many nations in the past and am prepared to listen, absorb and inwardly digest. But what I am not prepared to do unlike our police, is to welcome with open arms a bunch of scrotes that reap havoc and criminality on our streets to suit an agenda.
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So you want an authoritarian state.
Two Gun Bob said:
They remain our monuments, our statues, our street names, our history, so the scrotes court little favour by tearing them down like the spoilt undisciplined brats they are. All countries have good pasts and all countries horrible pasts that is why it's often called Orrible Istory, but I won't be marching on Rome anytime soon. Will you Rascal ?
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They remain statues to the past, they are not ours. Do you believe because things should be what they always were. If so do you advocate Children working in mines, sweeping chimneys, forced marriages, women not voting. Do you think those who gave their lives at Peterloo were scrote's.
Two Gun Bob said:
Once again I discussed Britain's defense of the realm during the summer of 1940 not 1939 or even News Year Day 1940 and Its already been established that we did not fight the rest of the war out on our own. Also it's rude to say I do a disservice to those that fought along side us, I would never do that and have already heaped praise on our foreign and commonwealth airmen that took to the skies during the Battle Of Britain.
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Thats like discussing what happened on one Tuesday only in a war that lasts years. At no point in WW2 did the UK ever stand alone, it is bollox.
Two Gun Bob said:
“Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him all Europe may be free, and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands; but if we fail, then the whole world will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say: ‘This was their finest hour ”
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Flowery rhetoric designed to boost morale, nothing more nothing less.

And in it he even acknowledges that Britain was not alone.

I have no problem with Churchill, he was the right man at the right time, but that does not make him a good man because he wasn't, he was flawed, he was a racist, he was a ****.
 
The perfect fumble said:
You don't understand how the British Empire functioned and the ties that bound it, primarily the ties to its white constituents.
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If you mean this then I do understand:

On 1 September 1939, Germany invaded Poland. Two days later, on 3 September, after a British ultimatum to Germany to cease military operations was ignored, Britain and France declared war on Germany. Britain's declaration of war automatically committed India, the Crown colonies, and the protectorates, but the 1931 Statute of Westminster had granted autonomy to the Dominions so each decided their course separately.

Australian Prime Minister Robert Menzies immediately joined the British declaration on 3 September, believing that it applied to all subjects of the Empire and Commonwealth. New Zealand followed suit simultaneously, at 9.30 pm on 3 September (local time), after Peter Fraser consulted the Cabinet; although as Chamberlain's broadcast was drowned by static, the Cabinet (led by Fraser as Prime Minister Michael Savage was terminally ill) delayed until the Admiralty announced to the fleet a state of war, then backdated the declaration to 9.30 pm. South Africa took three days to make its decision (on 6 September), as the Prime Minister General J. B. M. Hertzog favoured neutrality but was defeated by the pro-war vote in the Union Parliament, led by General Jan Smuts, who then replaced Hertzog. Canadian Prime Minister Mackenzie King declared support for Britain on the day of the British declaration, but also stated that it was for Parliament to make the formal declaration, which it did so one week later on 10 September. Ireland, which had been a dominion until 1937, remained neutral.[10]
 
Not to butt into this fascinating debate, but the invasion of france was in 1940 and German Success wasn't until the end of June, after churchills words in the autumn, the war in the balkans raged on until mid 1941 and the European mainland wasn't fully defeated until after the battle of crete.
And after all the soviets were fighting on the other front by the time Greece fell as operatin babarossa began.

Add to that in Dec 1940 Rooservelt made a speach where he commited to what became the land-lease and aide for the allies around the world.

So basically we never stood alone, but were were the only ones left uninvaded, in the continent. (Well bar some of our protectorates)
 
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urban genie said:
Not to butt into this fascinating debate, but the invasion of france was in 1940 and German Success wasn't until the end of June, after churchills words in the autumn, the war in the balkans raged on until mid 1941 and the European mainland wasn't fully defeated until after the battle of crete.
And after all the soviets were fighting on the other front by the time Greece fell as operatin babarossa began.

Add to that in Dec 1940 Rooservelt made a speach where he commited to what became the land-lease and aide for the allies around the world.

So basically we never stood alone, but were were the only ones left uninvaded, in the continent.
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A stretch too far.
 
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