Erling Haaland

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Not sure i agree on this, we've held no one against there will or contract once they wanna leave.

We rightly demand their value, hence why Bernardo and Laporte are still here, and Sane having to stay the extra year; Haaland’s value after 2/3 years of scoring 30+ in the Premier League approaching his prime would be circa £250m+ - nobody is paying that. They’ll want a release clause significantly lower than that to do a deal this summer.
 
Pellegrini’s last season was sabotaged by the pending arrival of Pep; it was performing way below its natural level, even factoring in the advancing age of certain players. There was still an unprecedented depth of elite quality here - probably 5 of the top 20 players the league has seen all in the same team at once. It needed reinforcements, but Guardiola bought players for the bench that would be key players in most first 11’s in the league. He should have won what he has here, and probably more.

That 2014 Liverpool team was carried to a title challenge by the attacking trident of Suarez, Sturridge and Sterlingby the time Klopp got there, Suarez and Sterling had forced moves, and Sturridge was crocked.

Klopp also inherited terrible fullbacks in Clyne and Moreno; Pep addressed it by spending about £200m on them to find solutions, while Klopp converted an academy midfielder and brought in an £8m signing from a relegated club, and made them the most effective pair in Europe and catalysts of their overachievement.

Do you not think Klopp could have matched or even eclipsed what Pep has done here? I’d say fewer Carabao cups, but compensated for by European success.

It seems your default (and shared) dislike for Liverpool as a club is obscuring your subjective view of what Klopp’s achieved there.

Klopp a fantastic manager but he being a fantastic manager he has underperformed big time 2 trophies is pathetic for a manager of his calibre half billions spent with one the biggest clubs in the world!
 
We don't have the most expensive goalkeeper, we don't have the most expensive defender, we don't have the most expensive midfielder, and we don't have the most expensive striker................say no more.

Shows how good Pep is at getting much more from the sum of the parts.

Imagine how good we’d be if we had Haaland. He probably still wouldn’t be the world’s most expensive though, I think Neymar will hold that record for some time.
 
Jürgen Klopp (2001-2021): 3 League titles (2 Bundesligas, 1 Prem), 1 Champions League, 1 DFB-Pokal. Total major honours: 5. Average: 1 major trophy every 4 years.

Pep Guardiola (2007-2021): 9 (top flight) League titles (3 Las Ligas, 3 Bundesligas, 3 Prems), 2 Champions Leagues, 2 Copas del Rey, 2 DFB-Pokals, 1 FA Cup, 4 EFL Cups. Total major honours: 20. Average: 1 major trophy every 0.7 years.

So that is 3x as many top flight league titles, 2x as many Champions Leagues, 9x as many domestic cups and 4x as many honours in total for Pep, in a career where he has managed for 7 seasons fewer than Klopp.
 
Jürgen Klopp (2001-2021): 3 League titles (2 Bundesligas, 1 Prem), 1 Champions League, 1 DFB-Pokal. Total major honours: 5. Average: 1 major trophy every 4 years.

Pep Guardiola (2007-2021): 9 (top flight) League titles (3 Las Ligas, 3 Bundesligas, 3 Prems), 2 Champions Leagues, 2 Copas del Rey, 2 DFB-Pokals, 1 FA Cup, 4 EFL Cups. Total major honours: 20. Average: 1 major trophy every 0.7 years.

So that is 3x as many top flight league titles, 2x as many Champions Leagues, 9x as many domestic cups and 4x as many honours in total for Pep.
Yeah, but anybody could do that with...
 
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