Erling Haaland

[colesy]

It doesn’t matter what I think.
What matters is how the team reacts.

Of course he will demand big money, but will it be so big to annoy our players, I don’t know.

We have what seems like a great, harmonious squad, and I bet they will all know if Haaland comes in, he will be on a huge wedge, and most likely the highest earner, and I personally don't feel it will be a problem. Think of the bonus structure that they are all on, with Haaland in the side, we would have a huge chance of dominating, and trophies mean bonuses.

It is clear we have a knack of getting players on on a decent wage, without the need of the inflated sums the dark side pay. But we are also pretty swift in upgrading them, look at Dias and Berni, both were within a year or two of arriving.

Earnings are clearly position related, a top striker who scores the majority of goals, will usually earn more than the rest of the squad, so nothing new here really.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Grealish makes less than Kevin, the same as Sterling and more than Stones.

FdJ does NOT make 700k. He makes £354k. I kept hearing people here say FdJ would be unrealistic because of his wages, and now I understand, if that’s (700k) what some think he makes. Our highest wage is higher than Barcelona’s now and the same as Madrid’s (KdB = Hazard. I am once again choosing to ignore Bale because his contract ends this season, he’s not renewing it and it was signed in the older model that they don’t work under anymore)

FDJ makes £354k a week after tax - that's the important bit, sadly.

£700k was the headline figure to factor in his non national tax status.

Barca really did hand out some ridiculous contracts.

 

[Coatigan]

FDJ makes £354k a week after tax - that's the important bit, sadly.

£700k was the headline figure to factor in his non national status tax status.

Barca really did hand out some ridiculous contracts.

What, he pays as much in tax as he earns? that can't be right can it. Why would anyone choose to play in spain, and why would Spanish clubs not fight that structure, it would be unsustainable. I don't see how it can be true

 

[Deleted member 87819]

£700k was the headline figure to factor in his non national status tax status.

Barca really did hand out some ridiculous contracts.

No doubt about the last part, but they signed him knowing some top earners like Suarez would be gone soon. However, I cannot find the 700k figure anywhere. The 354k is the de facto number

 

[Rammy Blue]

No doubt about the last part, but they signed him knowing some top earners like Suarez would be gone soon. However, I cannot find the 700k figure anywhere. The 354k is the de facto number

In mainland Europe it’s pretty much standard that wages figures are discussed nett of tax.

 

[Paul1970]

FDJ makes £354k a week after tax - that's the important bit, sadly.

£700k was the headline figure to factor in his non national status tax status.

Barca really did hand out some ridiculous contracts.

And that is why they are fucked . City will go for haaland but only if he drops his wage demands and if he doesn’t have he. He goes elsewhere .

 

[Deleted member 87819]

And that is why they are fucked . City will go for haaland but only if he drops his wage demands and if he doesn’t have he. He goes elsewhere .

No matter how many times people say this, it still won’t be true. The money isn’t and won’t be an issue in this deal. He doesn’t have to “drop” anything. We can and will afford as much as any other club. We are the top of the food chain

 

[SWP's back]

What, he pays as much in tax as he earns? that can't be right can it. Why would anyone choose to play in spain, and why would Spanish clubs not fight that structure, it would be unsustainable. I don't see how it can be true

Not sure if you’re serious or not but it’s almost the same as the tax bands in the U.K. £700k per week equals a net pay of £371k per week.



And yes I know his 700k is euros and the above is GBP but I used a 1=1 exchange rate as a) it’s close enough and b) it doesn’t actually change the tax brackets at all anyway.

 

[Coatigan]

Not sure if you’re serious or not but it’s almost the same as the tax bands in the U.K. £700k per week equals a net pay of £371k per week.

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And yes I know his 700k is euros and the above is GBP but I used a 1=1 exchange rate as a) it’s close enough and b) it does actually change the tax brackets at all anyway.

I Was serious. Might have been wrong, but was serious about being wrong.

To be fair at those numbers they are monopoly money imaginary integers, but still are the higher tax bands not the same as the lower and intermediate ones in the sense that the previous bands still apply. I.e once in that bracket, it isnt 50% of your total, but 50% of what falls i to tha bracket. You are still paying 40% what is in the previous bracket, 20% on what is below that etc. It is progressive, rather than wholesale. That's how I've always understood it, ay least up to that point that is applicable and fathomable to me.

We hear regularly that PL and UK players pay the highest percentage in taxes, so by the quoted FDJ example, that would appear not to be entirely true. Or not to that extreme at least.

 

[jacko74]

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Purely in footballing terms it is lol worthy... but in terms of united being the only club willing and desperate enough to pay an inflated, record breaking transfer fee, obscene agents commission and ludicrous wage package then it actually makes sense as a headline.

 

[Mancity1980]

That is a different debate though but it is very commendable but then that will leave us not signing these star players in the future, surely?

But again that is going further and further away from what was the original point tbh and still, nobody gives a fuck about the lower leagues affording their own '1m a week' players due to the trickle-down effect of top players wages rising and so lower league wages also rise, the only thing is these clubs really can't afford this, so the club either signs utter crap that will play for low wages and the club is very unsuccessful on the pitch leading to fewer fans, less money and bankruptcy anyways.

This game will not be the same if we lose the lower division clubs, they are struggling.

Definitely, never forget where you come from. We are a bit of a rags to riches story and there is nothing wrong with that. However you must never ignore or forget your roots or those less fortunate, it is a true mantra in life and football. To do so will make the world a much worst place.

 

[stevemacca]

We pay good wages but we hardly chuck stupid money at players who aren’t worth the money (see degea, Pogba, sancho, etc down the road)

Let this sink in - Mata is on £160 k a week
Same as Mason Mount
Comedy Gold

 

[vincent]

No matter how many times people say this, it still won’t be true. The money isn’t and won’t be an issue in this deal. He doesn’t have to “drop” anything. We can and will afford as much as any other club. We are the top of the food chain

You simply don’t know that for certain and are just expressing an opinion. Of course we can afford the deal, but City may still have a structure in place which is non negotiable.

 

[skillman]

FDJ makes £354k a week after tax - that's the important bit, sadly.

£700k was the headline figure to factor in his non national status tax status.

Barca really did hand out some ridiculous contracts.

No wonder he went there despite every top European club being after him. Kinell.

 

[bluealf]

No wonder he went there despite every top European club being after him. Kinell.

Are you saying it wasnt for the prestige of playing for Barcelona the best club in the world?

Oh!!!

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

What, he pays as much in tax as he earns? that can't be right can it. Why would anyone choose to play in spain, and why would Spanish clubs not fight that structure, it would be unsustainable. I don't see how it can be true

Plenty of people out there paying out as much tax as they earn. Sadly, I am not one of them!

People choose to play in Spain because they know they won't clear £300k a week in the UK after tax or anywhere else in football.

Quite standard in Spain and Italy to factor tax. Especially so, if you are not a resident of that country and the additional saving as a result, although you still have to be careful and not take the piss like Mourinho and Messi did.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

No doubt about the last part, but they signed him knowing some top earners like Suarez would be gone soon. However, I cannot find the 700k figure anywhere. The 354k is the de facto number

It's what he approx clears. Greizmann wasn't taking home £820k a week at Barca either, but that was his ultimate cost to the club.

Yes, mate, crazy numbers. In England, clubs try to get around the tax disadvantage by factoring in additional image rights.

For someone like Pogba, his base salary is £175k a week, but he collects another £10m a year through loyalty and image rights.

 

[Deleted member 87819]

It's what he approx clears. Greizmann wasn't taking home £820k a week at Barca either, but that was his ultimate cost to the club.

Yes, mate, crazy numbers. In England, clubs try to get around the tax disadvantage by factoring in additional image rights.

For someone like Pogba, his base salary is £175k a week, but he collects another £10m a year through loyalty and image rights.

What I don’t understand is why an article like this: https://talksport.com/football/556089/eden-hazard-salary-real-madrid-paid-chelsea/ talks about Hazard making £188k AFTER TAX. This makes it seem like the 400k number for him is quid.

 

[SWP's back]

but still are the higher tax bands not the same as the lower and intermediate ones in the sense that the previous bands still apply. I.e once in that bracket, it isnt 50% of your total, but 50% of what falls i to tha bracket. You are still paying 40% what is in the previous bracket, 20% on what is below that etc. It is progressive, rather than wholesale. That's how I've always understood it, ay least up to that point that is applicable and fathomable to me.

Yes that’s still correct although I’m those earnings come he’d blow through the earlier tax brackets within his first week and then be on top whack for tax (45%) for more than 51 weeks per year

We hear regularly that PL and UK players pay the highest percentage in taxes, so by the quoted FDJ example, that would appear not to be entirely true. Or not to that extreme at least.

Yeah most of the major leagues in Europe have similar brackets in terms of top rate.

 

[WallyA]

We have what seems like a great, harmonious squad, and I bet they will all know if Haaland comes in, he will be on a huge wedge, and most likely the highest earner, and I personally don't feel it will be a problem. Think of the bonus structure that they are all on, with Haaland in the side, we would have a huge chance of dominating, and trophies mean bonuses.

It is clear we have a knack of getting players on on a decent wage, without the need of the inflated sums the dark side pay. But we are also pretty swift in upgrading them, look at Dias and Berni, both were within a year or two of arriving.

Earnings are clearly position related, a top striker who scores the majority of goals, will usually earn more than the rest of the squad, so nothing new here really.

I agree, and hope it causes no rifts.

As Tolmie pointed out, FDJ, Griezmann, etc all the spanish players earning are after tax.

They make ridiculous sums for their stature, Haaland isn't getting 700-800k.

I can see us making him the top earner at the club due to his reputation of course, but I doubt the club will go that much over KdB's wage.

It doesn't matter that our club is rich, everybody knows that, but we have a structure in place.

Maybe they smash that strucutre for Haaland (and possibly disrupt the squad balance), who knows, nobody on this forum knows, no matter how often they might claim to.