Etihad atmosphere

Surely they don't think that "game" with the plastic balls will cause any entertainment at all - once may have been acceptable but I think I heard him say they were doing it all season?
 
more and more excuses.... opposition, pre match entertainment, brand of football, nerves ....... we just have to sing . we have more than enough fans who are standing who dont sing at all. we've become lazy atmosphere wise, when the etihad should be rocking.

about losing chants, why dont we just start singing them again or make new ones ? i.e. you are my city, guardiolas blue and white army..... they aren't complicated or hard to sing.
 
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Manchester33 said:
It's a perfect storm for us in particular. After Hilsborough stadiums became modernized in general - no more terracing, fans treated even more so like scum, which has lead to highter security. Ticket prices have gone up which means younger lads can't afford it. Modern ticketing systems mean you have to buy tickets well in advance etc. All that means is young, working class groups of lads have mostly been priced out. Even if they do go it's near enough impossible for them to gang up together in a stadium and get the songs going. Police are happy with quiet/civil stadiums because it means they can manage them more easily. If you're seen to pose a threat to that they'll criminalise you. Now we can't even drink a pint at our seats, we can't even take alcohol on private buses going to and from football. We can't stand (legally) etc. All of that is legal at pretty much every other sport or event.

Now if you look at City more closely, we've moved into a new stadium recently. Our previous stadium had 80 years worth of history. Fans knew to gather on the kippax. Meet in regular pubs and so on and most importantly it was easy. You'd go to the pub, find your mates, all go in together, stand with each other and the go home. I firmly believe every new stadium will take between 5-10 years to create it's own culture and unfortunately for us it was mismanaged from the start. We should have been smarter in terms of where we put our singing sections/away fans. We had the whole North stand turned into a Family section which pissed a load of people off and got rid of any chance of having an 'end'. Then we get taken over. The atmosphere was great the year we won the league, but after that it's been a bit of an anti climax. UEFA, FFP, even the FA to some extent have annoyed most of our fans. Tourists and day trippers have filled the seats that once belonged to hardcore, local fans.

I'd argue though, that one of the most important factors that have made our atmosphere stale is the football we play. We expect to win every game. We keep the ball. Slow, methodical build up play. The teams that have a good atmosphere usually play counter attacking football. It gets everyone going. German teams like Bayern can get away with this because their culture buys into a drum. Ours wouldn't. (Even with a drum you could argue that their atmosphere is stale at times).

The solution for me would be safe standing - but not necessarily for the standing aspect (as you've quite rightly said, we have that now). Most clubs that incorporate safe standing in Europe use an unreserved standing basis. If we did this, the whole south stand (and preferably North Stand as well) level 1 would be rail seating. You'd get a ticket to South Stand Level one, block 115 etc. Then groups can go together, with their mates and stand with them. It should make tickets cheaper for standing areas as well.
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Thanks for a great reply ,I agree with pretty much all of it .
I think unreserved seating and buying tickets months in advance plays a big part, you would often make your mind up on Friday night ,Saturday dinner if you were going ,,you would que up together and all stand together now "casual" fans get scattered all over.
One thing you didn't answer tho is why its gone quiet when you have the singers together now ?
Do you think losing so many great chants and like it or not that was pretty boring to watch yesterday play a part ?
Pep will be successful but carnt say I'm looking forward to watching that style each week,someone described it as watching A chess match which I thought was quite apt.
Don't think the style of football will make for great /better atmosphere myself ?
Successful yes sing along exciting no
 
Been going 35 years; we've never been the most vocal unless it's in the face of real adversity, injustice, gallows humour or frantic last minute comebacks. Most of the time we're typically Manc, a tough audience, a "go on then, entertain us" attitude. We're not giddy scousers, day tripping rag tourists or self proclaimed best fans in the world tooners.
We always have been a bit Stadler and Waldorf most of the time.
Not saying it's right or things can't change but anyone would think we had an incredible atmosphere that has suddenly gone.
 
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GaudinoMotors said:
Been going 35 years; we've never been the most vocal unless it's in the face of real adversity, injustice, gallows humour or frantic last minute comebacks. Most of the time we're typically Manc, a tough audience, a "go on then, entertain us" attitude. We're not giddy scousers, day tripping rag tourists or self proclaimed best fans in the world tooners.
We always have been a bit Stadler and Waldorf most of the time.
Not saying it's right or things can't change but anyone would think we had an incredible atmosphere that has suddenly gone.
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I'd say this was about right.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Been going 35 years; we've never been the most vocal unless it's in the face of real adversity, injustice, gallows humour or frantic last minute comebacks. Most of the time we're typically Manc, a tough audience, a "go on then, entertain us" attitude. We're not giddy scousers, day tripping rag tourists or self proclaimed best fans in the world tooners.
We always have been a bit Stadler and Waldorf most of the time.
Not saying it's right or things can't change but anyone would think we had an incredible atmosphere that has suddenly gone.
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I agree it's always been pretty shit. What I don't get is the exodus before half time, the late back after half time and the absolute evacuation at the end. It's like going the match has become an inconvenience and it's just habit nowadays. A lot of the early leavers are young lads too. Where are they going that's so important? I couldn't believe how many left when we scored yesterday. First game for Guardiola and he is faced with 15000 empty seats when the game is still in the balance.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
I agree it's always been pretty shit. What I don't get is the exodus before half time, the late back after half time and the absolute evacuation at the end. It's like going the match has become an inconvenience and it's just habit nowadays. A lot of the early leavers are young lads too. Where are they going that's so important? I couldn't believe how many left when we scored yesterday. First game for Guardiola and he is faced with 15000 empty seats when the game is still in the balance.
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Couldn't agree more, but call anyone to question about it and you just get sarky glib excuses.
They wouldn't walk out of a film or theatre or meal before the end and yet they walk out on the team they follow. Baffling.
 
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