Etihad atmosphere

[GortonBlue62]

It is what it is. The minute you have to orchestrate something, it becomes false and cheesy. Some games will be great, some will be shite - I like that.

That said, some of the work the 1894 group do looks good, but it should remain concentrated in the south stand.

There's nothing 'false and cheesy' about the atmosphere at German league games.

It puts us (the whole of English football) to shame.

The irony is that they copied us, and the fact is it is organized and orchestrated.

 

[blue_paul]

I keep reading of a lost generation of support in the City but surely, the age demographic of match attendee's is just as much to do with price as the aforementioned factor?
How bad are things anecdotally with our under 35 year old supporter base, surely to god you wouldn't let your kid be a red regardless at how utterly shite we've been over the years!
I can categorically state that none, not fucking one, of my blue mates have spawned Babylon supporting kids.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

There's nothing 'false and cheesy' about the atmosphere at German league games.

It puts us (the whole of English football) to shame.

The irony is that they copied us, and the fact is it is organized and orchestrated.

I don't feel shamed. I guess people want different things. If you're happy to jump up and down behind someone banging a drum or hollering down a megaphone, then good for you - but I don't remember this ever happening in the past in England.

 

[GortonBlue62]

I don't feel shamed. I guess people want different things. If you're happy to jump up and down behind someone banging a drum or hollering down a megaphone, then good for you - but I don't remember this ever happening in the past in England.

I mean that German football, and many others, looked at English football in the 60's, liked what they saw and tried to emulate it.
They've taken it to a level way beyond what we used to have. We need to learn from them otherwise we will be sat in library like stadiums.

It's embarrassing to be sat in a ground when the team is trying like fuck to win a game and all you can hear are the players shouting to each other in a near silent stadium.

This whole thread is about how we can change things - so I'm guessing some people don't like the current situation and want to change it.

 

[BrianW]

I think it's almost impossible (under the current rules and laws) to change the situation. I am an old git. When I go I want to be able to sit and watch without jumping up and down like a jack-in-the-box. I'm happy to clap, and happy to shout, but I ain't going to spend 90 minutes chanting, sorry, the voice isn't what it was. There are a lot like me - and a lot worse, those who don't even clap and stare at anyone who shouts as if they're an escapee from a secure unit. As for swearing - God forbid! Some child might hear a rude word.

The biggest improvements:

1. Far better public transport, to remove the need to rush off from 75 minutes onwards. Problem - this would cost ££££££££££s.
2. A section where you could roll up on the day, pay on the gate, and stand up. Almost certainly wholly or partly illegal.
3. Turn the racket off at least 10 minutes before KO to give the crowd a chance to build atmosphere.

How to stop me going altogether: Bands, kapos, and even more cheesy bullshit.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

I mean that German football, and many others, looked at English football in the 60's, liked what they saw and tried to emulate it.
They've taken it to a level way beyond what we used to have. We need to learn from them otherwise we will be sat in library like stadiums.

It's embarrassing to be sat in a ground when the team is trying like fuck to win a game and all you can hear are the players shouting to each other in a near silent stadium.

This whole thread is about how we can change things - so I'm guessing some people don't like the current situation and want to change it.

You mean when they pass it back to the centre back for the umpteenth time in the last minute of injury time!! Or send a corner low and weak into the box for their front defender to clear!! The atmosphere comes from reaction to the action on the pitch, and the patient way we play generates a lot of groans from those sat around me. I guess it's the same all round the ground.

 

[Kyle_Mck]

You mean when they pass it back to the centre back for the umpteenth time in the last minute of injury time!! Or send a corner low and weak into the box for their front defender to clear!! The atmosphere comes from reaction to the action on the pitch, and the patient way we play generates a lot of groans from those sat around me. I guess it's the same all round the ground.

I don't recall Peps Bayern provoking the same moans and groans around a bouncing Allianz.

 

[GortonBlue62]

You mean when they pass it back to the centre back for the umpteenth time in the last minute of injury time!! Or send a corner low and weak into the box for their front defender to clear!! The atmosphere comes from reaction to the action on the pitch, and the patient way we play generates a lot of groans from those sat around me. I guess it's the same all round the ground.

Another pathetic excuse - the football's not exciting enough; the stadium acoustics are all wrong; the teams not good enough; we're not running away with the league in October; the Wi-Fi situation is a fucking disgrace; I can't get served at half time because we don't employ efficient bar staff; the away fans are in the wrong place; there's too many away fans; there's not enough away fans; my knees hurt; it's that time of the month; I'm a taciturn mancunian and I like nothing more than a good moan; etc. etc.

If you can't see that we're the problem then we just need to agree to disagree.
If you don't think we have a problem then, again, we just need to agree to disagree.

I think most people on this thread want to sit in a stadium that's bouncing, for the big games at least.

 

[BrianW]

If the majority of people in the stadium want it to bounce, then it will.

The problem is you have a whole variety of different types of fan, plus the modern 'ethos' - I don't know what other word to use - that is very much more restrained that it was back in the day. If individuals start supporting 1980s-style, they will likely get chucked out and banned. I don't know how you change it, but one possibility is that the majority don't want it changed. That they are quite happy as they are. My experience of various voluntary groups tells me that most 'members' of whatever organisation you care to name are quite passive, and happy to go along with whatever the ruling elite decree. Changing culture is a very difficult thing to do, even if you personally are passionate on the subject.

 

[GortonBlue62]

If the majority of people in the stadium want it to bounce, then it will.

The problem is you have a whole variety of different types of fan, plus the modern 'ethos' - I don't know what other word to use - that is very much more restrained that it was back in the day. If individuals start supporting 1980s-style, they will likely get chucked out and banned. I don't know how you change it, but one possibility is that the majority don't want it changed. That they are quite happy as they are. My experience of various voluntary groups tells me that most 'members' of whatever organisation you care to name are quite passive, and happy to go along with whatever the ruling elite decree. Changing culture is a very difficult thing to do, even if you personally are passionate on the subject.

There's a variety of fans at Bayern Munich's home games (just to use them as an example).
The majority sit in silence, like most of us, just watching the game (nothing wrong with that).
The singers (behind the goal) do all the bouncing and flag waving and singing.
The 'silent ones' join in at key times taking their lead from the 'singers'.
Makes for a great atmosphere.

If people start behaving 1980's style, e.g. deciding they'll just have a piss where they're standing or racially abusing the opposition players then I hope they do get thrown out.
If people sing, wave flags etc. there's no problem.
German, Polish, Greek fans are all admired and praised by the English media for their passion and commitment to their team.

You say that 'if the people in the stadium want to bounce then it will' later you say that '[people] are quite happy to go along with whatever the ruling elite decree'. Perhaps if the leaders decree that we'll all sing the masses will follow. Isn't this the answer; a dedicated group need to lead the rest of us need to follow. The 1894 are trying to provide that lead and although I'm reluctant to criticise them we need to recognise that what's been tried so far isn't working, so we need to do something different.

Changing culture won't just happen it needs effort, but it's not impossible.