It is what it is. The minute you have to orchestrate something, it becomes false and cheesy. Some games will be great, some will be shite - I like that.
That said, some of the work the 1894 group do looks good, but it should remain concentrated in the south stand.
There's nothing 'false and cheesy' about the atmosphere at German league games.
It puts us (the whole of English football) to shame.
The irony is that they copied us, and the fact is it is organized and orchestrated.
I don't feel shamed. I guess people want different things. If you're happy to jump up and down behind someone banging a drum or hollering down a megaphone, then good for you - but I don't remember this ever happening in the past in England.
I mean that German football, and many others, looked at English football in the 60's, liked what they saw and tried to emulate it.
They've taken it to a level way beyond what we used to have. We need to learn from them otherwise we will be sat in library like stadiums.
It's embarrassing to be sat in a ground when the team is trying like fuck to win a game and all you can hear are the players shouting to each other in a near silent stadium.
This whole thread is about how we can change things - so I'm guessing some people don't like the current situation and want to change it.
You mean when they pass it back to the centre back for the umpteenth time in the last minute of injury time!! Or send a corner low and weak into the box for their front defender to clear!! The atmosphere comes from reaction to the action on the pitch, and the patient way we play generates a lot of groans from those sat around me. I guess it's the same all round the ground.
You mean when they pass it back to the centre back for the umpteenth time in the last minute of injury time!! Or send a corner low and weak into the box for their front defender to clear!! The atmosphere comes from reaction to the action on the pitch, and the patient way we play generates a lot of groans from those sat around me. I guess it's the same all round the ground.
If the majority of people in the stadium want it to bounce, then it will.
The problem is you have a whole variety of different types of fan, plus the modern 'ethos' - I don't know what other word to use - that is very much more restrained that it was back in the day. If individuals start supporting 1980s-style, they will likely get chucked out and banned. I don't know how you change it, but one possibility is that the majority don't want it changed. That they are quite happy as they are. My experience of various voluntary groups tells me that most 'members' of whatever organisation you care to name are quite passive, and happy to go along with whatever the ruling elite decree. Changing culture is a very difficult thing to do, even if you personally are passionate on the subject.
Going around in circles... We all know the solutions that would change the culture inside the stadium but I can't see Football changing as well it suits football as a business more to have happy clapper corporate types and families in there rather than gangs of single males who will sing and bounce.
Pay on the day sections, cheaper areas for low income working class people, safe standing.
THiS WILL BRING BACK ATMOSPHERE
its fucking simple.
But like I said it ain't happening going as well it costs more to police, football went middle class awhile ago now and the working /lower classes are all in the boozers around Manchester watching the match on tv.
Why?
Because it's expensive.
We've been priced out.
I can only afford a SC as well i don't have any kids and so on.
Bring back the real people and you'll be given atmosphere.
Keep the happy clapping corporate shite and that's all you'll get.
A drum/capo is ok but it just won't take off as culturally there's too many middle classes knocking about in the stadium.
* I ain't saying people who have a but of money won't sing/let themselves go, but come on we all know the corporate/family types wearing suits are less likely to bounce around and get shit going than say my working class scrotey ass...
Saying that though, the suits do like a party when they are all coked up! And not entertaining corporate guests
That's a good post. From an 1894 view, we aren't immune from criticism - we thrive on 'positive' criticism to help improve the atmosphere. It get's frustrating when you hear things like the 1894 group don't sing - we do, just no one else seems to want to join in. Then it becomes even more frustrating when we get abuse from other City fans for trying new things i.e. drum against Borussia.There's a variety of fans at Bayern Munich's home games (just to use them as an example).
The majority sit in silence, like most of us, just watching the game (nothing wrong with that).
The singers (behind the goal) do all the bouncing and flag waving and singing.
The 'silent ones' join in at key times taking their lead from the 'singers'.
Makes for a great atmosphere.
If people start behaving 1980's style, e.g. deciding they'll just have a piss where they're standing or racially abusing the opposition players then I hope they do get thrown out.
If people sing, wave flags etc. there's no problem.
German, Polish, Greek fans are all admired and praised by the English media for their passion and commitment to their team.
You say that 'if the people in the stadium want to bounce then it will' later you say that '[people] are quite happy to go along with whatever the ruling elite decree'. Perhaps if the leaders decree that we'll all sing the masses will follow. Isn't this the answer; a dedicated group need to lead the rest of us need to follow. The 1894 are trying to provide that lead and although I'm reluctant to criticise them we need to recognise that what's been tried so far isn't working, so we need to do something different.
Changing culture won't just happen it needs effort, but it's not impossible.
Write him off now mate, he turned into a **** years ago unfortunatelyNial was wanking about Anfield and its atmosphere again last night and slating ours on Sunday I believe.
WTF!
I'm in 114 ss would be great if we could get the pep Guardiola song going between us and the KippaxThat's a good post. From an 1894 view, we aren't immune from criticism - we thrive on 'positive' criticism to help improve the atmosphere. It get's frustrating when you hear things like the 1894 group don't sing - we do, just no one else seems to want to join in. Then it becomes even more frustrating when we get abuse from other City fans for trying new things i.e. drum against Borussia.
I'd also disagree that what we've tried so far hasn't worked - We are far from the finished article, but we've only had one season under our belt. I think the atmosphere HAS improved, and that there is more 'constant' singing. It's just not loud enough because others won't join in. Groups like Holmesdale Fanatics at Palace and the Green Brigade at Celtic have had over 10 years to influence the atmosphere at their respective grounds. I think we've laid the foundations very well and as long as the number of people who're passionate about this rises, and more people try and get involved, we'll have the best atmosphere within a matter of years.
The 1980's styled atmosphere is dead. It will never return because it thrived on hooliganism (which is impossible to replicate in modern day Britain). I'd challenge everyone on here to list the 5 best sets off fans in the world - if you can list all 5 who don't use a drum then you're kidding yourself. The next question would be, would you swap our atmosphere for theirs - if it's no, then I don't know what you're doing on this thread!
That's a good post. From an 1894 view, we aren't immune from criticism - we thrive on 'positive' criticism to help improve the atmosphere. It get's frustrating when you hear things like the 1894 group don't sing - we do, just no one else seems to want to join in. Then it becomes even more frustrating when we get abuse from other City fans for trying new things i.e. drum against Borussia.
I'd also disagree that what we've tried so far hasn't worked - We are far from the finished article, but we've only had one season under our belt. I think the atmosphere HAS improved, and that there is more 'constant' singing. It's just not loud enough because others won't join in. Groups like Holmesdale Fanatics at Palace and the Green Brigade at Celtic have had over 10 years to influence the atmosphere at their respective grounds. I think we've laid the foundations very well and as long as the number of people who're passionate about this rises, and more people try and get involved, we'll have the best atmosphere within a matter of years.
The 1980's styled atmosphere is dead. It will never return because it thrived on hooliganism (which is impossible to replicate in modern day Britain). I'd challenge everyone on here to list the 5 best sets off fans in the world - if you can list all 5 who don't use a drum then you're kidding yourself. The next question would be, would you swap our atmosphere for theirs - if it's no, then I don't know what you're doing on this thread!
I keep reading of a lost generation of support in the City but surely, the age demographic of match attendee's is just as much to do with price as the aforementioned factor?
How bad are things anecdotally with our under 35 year old supporter base, surely to god you wouldn't let your kid be a red regardless at how utterly shite we've been over the years!
I can categorically state that none, not fucking one, of my blue mates have spawned Babylon supporting kids.