Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[Shaelumstash]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

It's an interesting point about ROI, but that may be looking at the project in too narrow a scope. I think the major advantage of having a centralised campus as opposed to the fractured infrastructure we have now is explained by agglomeration economics:

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_agglomeration" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_agglomeration</a>

There are a lot of intangible benefits that would not show up on the P&L accounts each year. Youth coaches learning from first team coaches, youth players learning from first team players, staff / players feeling part of cohesive team / club, winning mentality being bred in to players from an early age, attracting top coaches / youth / first team players who want to be part of that environment, the press exposure having such a facility generates, the economies of scale on technology etc, the ease of integrating a youth player in to the first team, the ease of coaches being able to move between different age groups.

I remember Ruud Gullit saying when he first walked in to Milanello it just felt like success, it instantly raised your standards and made you work harder because you knew what was expected of you. I'm sure the plan is for CFA to eventually carry a similar aura, and you can't really put a price on that.

 

[dickie davies]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

Rodwell with half a dozen starts over the last two seasons has just been sold for £7M-£10M

Integrate a few young English players from the academy into the squad and even if they are average Prem players, give them a few games where because they are playing alongside stars, they look pretty decent, we can then sell those players on for many millions
The rags have been doing this for years

 

[unexpected item]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

Plans running behind schedule?

From the Liverpool OS via newsnow

Liverpool have released the following announcement regarding tickets for the Barclays Premier League match away at Manchester City on Monday, August 25.

Due to ongoing stadium expansion developments at the Etihad Stadium, Manchester City FC have asked that we temporarily postpone the sale of all tickets for the game.

A full statement will be released in due course.

Liverpool FC apologises for any inconvenience caused.

 

[croasdale]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

Plans running behind schedule?

From the Liverpool OS via newsnow

Liverpool have released the following announcement regarding tickets for the Barclays Premier League match away at Manchester City on Monday, August 25.

Due to ongoing stadium expansion developments at the Etihad Stadium, Manchester City FC have asked that we temporarily postpone the sale of all tickets for the game.

A full statement will be released in due course.

Liverpool FC apologises for any inconvenience caused.

If we're that far behind schedule, do you think we may ask to swap the home and away fixture with them? Play at theirs in August and at our place in February?

 

[Rascal]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

It's an interesting point about ROI, but that may be looking at the project in too narrow a scope. I think the major advantage of having a centralised campus as opposed to the fractured infrastructure we have now is explained by agglomeration economics:

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_agglomeration" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_agglomeration</a>

There are a lot of intangible benefits that would not show up on the P&L accounts each year. Youth coaches learning from first team coaches, youth players learning from first team players, staff / players feeling part of cohesive team / club, winning mentality being bred in to players from an early age, attracting top coaches / youth / first team players who want to be part of that environment, the press exposure having such a facility generates, the economies of scale on technology etc, the ease of integrating a youth player in to the first team, the ease of coaches being able to move between different age groups.

I remember Ruud Gullit saying when he first walked in to Milanello it just felt like success, it instantly raised your standards and made you work harder because you knew what was expected of you. I'm sure the plan is for CFA to eventually carry a similar aura, and you can't really put a price on that.

Think this is a very important post. And the correct way to look at it. The CFA cannot be looked at on a stand alone basis as you succinctly describe. The economies of scale from such a site are huge. think just about say the savings in hotel beds for the First team squad alone over the season by staying on site.

There is also the option of using the site to entice other clubs. We have seen Melbourne City at Carrington, I would not be surprised to see NYCFC do pre season at the site. Barca were at the England facility, whats to stop the CFA attracting the likes of Barca etc if the facilities are the best. Im sure with the business brains behind us the cogs are spinning at countless ways of making full use some we can probably never imagine.

Also what should be considered is the impact of Manchesters commonwealth games on sport in the NW. The world class facilities have produced bumper years for British sport in many areas as they have attracted elite athletes to the area. The CFA is a natural expansion of the games legacy along with the continuing regeneration of East Manchester

 

[gouldybob]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

The ADUG investment on all fronts will have different implementation timelines, that is the reality.

We are now seeing the construction phase of the Campus 'catching up' with the player purchases and looking fantastic rather than just a building site.

The stadium is being improved without too much disruption as a result of state of the art planning yet still a major project.
Other construction projects are planned for (eg Medical block).

Patrick's 10 year plan is starting to bear fruit and has been recognised by the media (well done MCFC PR).

Not to mention the sterling work in constructing Partnerships with for example Nissan and the purchase of equity within other Clubs in diverse Continents.

Probably many aspects of the 'Project' that I have missed but be assured ADUG will have covered everything in their plan that is magnificent in its context and detail.

We can honestly look forward to it all integrating together to make City the envy of the football if not the sporting world.

OK UEFA and FIFA seem to be more interested in retaining the status quo and will naturally be suspicious of things done differently but eventually they will find, like all situations involving change, that they are either part of the change or part of the problem.
The complete Project has attained a 'Critical Mass' that those who oppose it will find to be unstoppable.

Was listening to Talksport talking about FFP and Football Globalisation, Danny Kelly I think, and after all the discussion and non of it slagging us off, one of his final comments was that "football is changing rapidly! and Manchester City seem to be at the forefront of what's happening" is the penny finally dropping?

 

[gouldybob]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

Plans running behind schedule?

From the Liverpool OS via newsnow

Liverpool have released the following announcement regarding tickets for the Barclays Premier League match away at Manchester City on Monday, August 25.

Due to ongoing stadium expansion developments at the Etihad Stadium, Manchester City FC have asked that we temporarily postpone the sale of all tickets for the game.

A full statement will be released in due course.

Liverpool FC apologises for any inconvenience caused.

If we're that far behind schedule, do you think we may ask to swap the home and away fixture with them? Play at theirs in August and at our place in February?

That would have both clubs in each city at home the same weekend. Police would probably veto that. More likely we'd be midweek sometime.

 

[Manchester1894]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

North Stand screen now working then..

[bigimg]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuW--0qIgAAZWsg.jpg:large[/bigimg]

Nice shot from the North side:

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

It's an interesting point about ROI, but that may be looking at the project in too narrow a scope. I think the major advantage of having a centralised campus as opposed to the fractured infrastructure we have now is explained by agglomeration economics:

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_agglomeration" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_agglomeration</a>

There are clear efficiency and scale benefits for City having all their resources on one site, but that's not really agglomeration. Agglomeration occurs when complementary businesses locate near each other, such as used to be the case with car manufacturers and car-part makers in the West Midlands, or is still the case with financial services in the City of London. Co-location creates spillovers and positive extrnalities, such as making it easier to recruit scarce talent because an area is known to be the place to be if you want a career in a particular industry or sector.

The Media Quarter in Salford Quays I suppose is a modern example of trying to start one from scratch.

Having said that, if we got other sports businesses and suppliers locating near the Eithad to take advantage of a nascent sports science cluster, that might be the start of something, perhaps...

 

[Rascal]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

It's an interesting point about ROI, but that may be looking at the project in too narrow a scope. I think the major advantage of having a centralised campus as opposed to the fractured infrastructure we have now is explained by agglomeration economics:

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_agglomeration" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_agglomeration</a>

There are clear efficiency and scale benefits for City having all their resources on one site, but that's not really agglomeration. Agglomeration occurs when complementary businesses locate near each other, such as used to be the case with car manufacturers and car-part makers in the West Midlands, or is still the case with financial services in the City of London. Co-location creates spillovers and positive extrnalities, such as making it easier to recruit scarce talent because an area is known to be the place to be if you want a career in a particular industry or sector.

The Media Quarter in Salford Quays I suppose is a modern example of trying to start one from scratch.

Having said that, if we got other sports businesses and suppliers locating near the Eithad to take advantage of a nascent sports science cluster, that might be the start of something, perhaps...

My point of the Commonwealth games legacy means agglomeration has already occurred and the CFA will enhance it.