Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[LongsightM13]

It’s the tram back into town or lack of that’s the problem.

Imagine if it went all the way

 

[andyhinch]

Imagine if it went all the way

The train only takes better 16 and 30 minutes so I’ve no complaints on that front other than lack of seats, anyway not a problem until I get my leg working again.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

It’s the tram back into town or lack of that’s the problem.

It’s a disgrace that the Metro is largely unfit for purpose ,particularly the match day service for The Etihad Campus.

Manchester had one chance to establish a world class network/ service that could be developed in advance of the forecast growth of the city and population,particularly east of the city centre.

Millions of words and statistics have been produced by hundreds of ‘informed’ tax payer funded bodies viz the spectacular success of Manchester,particularly since HH Sheikh Mansour invested in CITY and started the accelerated expansion of east Manchester with residential, commercial and leisure developments.

With the benefit of these statistics and growth data getting it right first time,and future proofing its expansion,should’ve been the priority. The opposite is the outcome, and fixing it now will cost the taxpayer £ Millions £ more than the right first time philosophy.

It’s to be hoped CITY’s relationship/ influence with the council and related bodies, along with our visionary executives and finances, can produce an efficient and flexible service for the city generally but The Etihad Campus specifically, particularly with the Arena opening next year,

I watched the creation of a city wide Metro come out of the ground in Dubai in record time. It is world class, future proofed, loved by the riders and substantially sponsored by business’s who have benefited from its existence.

Manchester and CITY deserve nothing less !!

 

[Holcombe bloo]

It’s a disgrace that the Metro is largely unfit for purpose ,particularly the match day service for The Etihad Campus.

Manchester had one chance to establish a world class network/ service that could be developed in advance of the forecast growth of the city and population,particularly east of the city centre.

Millions of words and statistics have been produced by hundreds of ‘informed’ tax payer funded bodies viz the spectacular success of Manchester,particularly since HH Sheikh Mansour invested in CITY and started the accelerated expansion of east Manchester with residential, commercial and leisure developments.

With the benefit of these statistics and growth data getting it right first time,and future proofing its expansion,should’ve been the priority. The opposite is the outcome, and fixing it now will cost the taxpayer £ Millions £ more than the right first time philosophy.

It’s to be hoped CITY’s relationship/ influence with the council and related bodies, along with our visionary executives and finances, can produce an efficient and flexible service for the city generally but The Etihad Campus specifically, particularly with the Arena opening next year,

I watched the creation of a city wide Metro come out of the ground in Dubai in record time. It is world class, future proofed, loved by the riders and substantially sponsored by business’s who have benefited from its existence.

Manchester and CITY deserve nothing less !!

Absoloutely, what would it take to have a spur line with say 3 or 4 double trams in a que headed back to town and beyond in a coordinated fashion. After all City and ADUG and silverlake are and have invested in the area, that is the least we should be getting! What have Utd invested in Manchester? Fuck all, I don’t think they even pay any tax here!? And some hav3 said on here you can’t move for trams after the games there. Knowing how city are treated by metrolink if we don’t pay for it all, nothing will change. Chaos is coming at some stage when 20 odd thousand attend the coop arena the first time we’re at the etihad same evening, and it will put people off big time. In general though metrolink is a poor under resourced network not befitting a growing vibrant city like ours.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Absoloutely, what would it take to have a spur line with say 3 or 4 double trams in a que headed back to town and beyond in a coordinated fashion. After all City and ADUG and silverlake are and have invested in the area, that is the least we should be getting! What have Utd invested in Manchester? Fuck all, I don’t think they even pay any tax here!? And some hav3 said on here you can’t move for trams after the games there. Knowing how city are treated by metrolink if we don’t pay for it all, nothing will change. Chaos is coming at some stage when 20 odd thousand attend the coop arena the first time we’re at the etihad same evening, and it will put people off big time. In general though metrolink is a poor under resourced network not befitting a growing vibrant city like ours.

About £100M per mile based on the Trafford Centre spur. At the moment the issue is trams getting caught up on the way back to Piccadilly due to the street running sections and the bottleneck at Piccadilly Gardens. Adding queued trams to it probably won't help us, passengers will just be sat on a stationary tram a lot. The solution has always been either ...
a) Give passengers something to do while they are waiting. The queuing experience could be much better by being covered, heated, tv screens showing highlights/what's going on in City Square, coffee machines/snacks, toilets. This will hopefully be addressed in part by the arena facilities, I hope.
b) Improve public transport away from the current tram line. Literally every route to the stadium whether it be tram, train or bus involves going through the clogged up city centre so everyone drives instead. I am hopeful though that Burnham is trying to address matters, it's just sooo slowwwww! A £2 bus ticket is a start but doesn't help when it's 3 buses for a 7 mile journey for me.

 

[Holcombe bloo]

About £100M per mile based on the Trafford Centre spur. At the moment the issue is trams getting caught up on the way back to Piccadilly due to the street running sections and the bottleneck at Piccadilly Gardens. Adding queued trams to it probably won't help us, passengers will just be sat on a stationary tram a lot. The solution has always been either ...
a) Give passengers something to do while they are waiting. The queuing experience could be much better by being covered, heated, tv screens showing highlights/what's going on in City Square, coffee machines/snacks, toilets. This will hopefully be addressed in part by the arena facilities, I hope.
b) Improve public transport away from the current tram line. Literally every route to the stadium whether it be tram, train or bus involves going through the clogged up city centre so everyone drives instead. I am hopeful though that Burnham is trying to address matters, it's just sooo slowwwww! A £2 bus ticket is a start but doesn't help when it's 3 buses for a 7 mile journey for me.

I like idea A wouldn’t cost much and take the sting out of waiting A bit. Also do more to keep car drivers after the games, discount beer and food left over would be good as well as improved entertainment.

B - I also agree, personally I think a really good well cooridnated fleet of electric buses is a good idea in the short term, running to remote parking hubs where we have a lot of support. South Mcr , Stockport area, Denton, north Mcr places like that maybe between 5-10 buses to go direct at little cost to fans and not through city centre would help.
Also I’ve noticed on the athletics track side of the ground 3 car parks have closed, this makes it harder to park but also charges have gone up it’s now £10 to park! I come from ramsbottom but the idea of getting the tram is just a none starter at present. If there was was a reliable bus to a free or cheap car park round bury area I’d be interested in using it.

 

[BrianW]

This is not London, where you can have any public transport you like, whatever the cost.

This is Manchester, where we were grudgingly given the absolute minimum necessary to convert Altrincham-Bury to a tramway on the cheap. The absolute minimum.

That 'legacy' has been built upon, but we have never ever been given the bottomless funding given to London without a second thought, and my guess is we never will be given it.

We all want better public transport, but no one wants to pay for it and the national government doesn't give a flying shit about Manchester. (I am not sure Labour will be better in that regard; they weren't before.)

 

[Gone for a Burton]

About £100M per mile based on the Trafford Centre spur. At the moment the issue is trams getting caught up on the way back to Piccadilly due to the street running sections and the bottleneck at Piccadilly Gardens. Adding queued trams to it probably won't help us, passengers will just be sat on a stationary tram a lot. The solution has always been either ...
a) Give passengers something to do while they are waiting. The queuing experience could be much better by being covered, heated, tv screens showing highlights/what's going on in City Square, coffee machines/snacks, toilets. This will hopefully be addressed in part by the arena facilities, I hope.
b) Improve public transport away from the current tram line. Literally every route to the stadium whether it be tram, train or bus involves going through the clogged up city centre so everyone drives instead. I am hopeful though that Burnham is trying to address matters, it's just sooo slowwwww! A £2 bus ticket is a start but doesn't help when it's 3 buses for a 7 mile journey for me.

The stations in Dubai are all sponsored by banks and similar significant businesses.

They are like hotel lobbies, with seating, f & b + air conditioning.

Etihad Rail build and operate thousands of miles of railways throughout MENA.

It would be fantastic if they could take over the operation and development of the metro either as a JV or in isolation.

Something radical will have to happen to make the necessary improvements or Manchester and all the Etihad Campus businesses including CITY will suffer.

Etihad Airline, Etihad Metro, Etihad Campus, Etihad Hotel.....is that boiling piss I hear ??

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

I like idea A wouldn’t cost much and take the sting out of waiting A bit. Also do more to keep car drivers after the games, discount beer and food left over would be good as well as improved entertainment.

B - I also agree, personally I think a really good well cooridnated fleet of electric buses is a good idea in the short term, running to remote parking hubs where we have a lot of support. South Mcr , Stockport area, Denton, north Mcr places like that maybe between 5-10 buses to go direct at little cost to fans and not through city centre would help.
Also I’ve noticed on the athletics track side of the ground 3 car parks have closed, this makes it harder to park but also charges have gone up it’s now £10 to park! I come from ramsbottom but the idea of getting the tram is just a none starter at present. If there was was a reliable bus to a free or cheap car park round bury area I’d be interested in using it.

For me, especially travelling from the north of GM like you, the buses are the bigger problem. They get stuck in traffic or take weird convoluted routes as they approach the city but then end in the wrong places. In my instance I could catch a bus into Manchester but it takes over an hour and eventually drops me off at Shudehill, but I can't catch a useful connection going further south (it seems), so I have to walk to Piccadilly Gardens. Granted it's not far but the whole process fails in terms of the duration of the journey(s) and convenience.

Don't you have the X41 from Rammy?

 

[supercity88]

The stations in Dubai are all sponsored by banks and similar significant businesses.

They are like hotel lobbies, with seating, f & b + air conditioning.

Etihad Rail build and operate thousands of miles of railways throughout MENA.

It would be fantastic if they could take over the operation and development of the metro either as a JV or in isolation.

Something radical will have to happen to make the necessary improvements or Manchester and all the Etihad Campus businesses including CITY will suffer.

Etihad Airline, Etihad Metro, Etihad Campus, Etihad Hotel.....is that boiling piss I hear ??

Completely different set of rules over there though. Invest/sponsor infrastructure and it probably helps you get consent for whatever else you want to do that generates the money back and some. Over here it's huge initial investment, ongoing liability and what do they get in exchange? They'd still need planning for whatever they propose and there might be goodwill but they wouldn't get planning just because they've invested in infrastructure.

Undoubtedly, improving the transport system unlocks the whole area so you'd expect they'd thought of it. And maybe they see a return on investment by contributing via the planning system (S106) to any improvement and then attracting a higher price for land sales when they sell to hotels/leisure companies as a result. A location where millions can get there easily certainly commands a higher price than the current location does.