Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

Centurions said:
You've already been told multiple times over many different posts by many different people why that wouldn't work, and yet you post the same crap again and again.

Did you post a picture of a random train station in the mistaken assumption that people don't know what they look like?

Edit: why do you keep tagging @jrb in your posts?
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Hi Centurions

It was the station at Ashbury I did try and upload one with the photo of the signage but the site would not allow it.

JRB is open to ideas, and so is Petrusha as he stated in his post.

When someone posts an idea, there is a group of people on here that attack people instead as I said in my last post this will not work because?

"If people have some kind of specialist knowledge and can explain why any ideas put forward aren't workable, that's a welcome addition to any discussion. On the other hand, I find it somewhat tiresome when posters post trenchantly that "It'll never happen!" without further explanation. It adds nothing of value to the discussion, as far as I can see."

Its shows the mentality of some people to post "special friends" I don't know jrb but he does write good posts, this is a forum about the stadium. I have been shot down before about only posting in certain threads but that does not make me any less a Man City supporter maybe because I work in that field of work and have an interest in it. Everyone has a different opinion about what works and we are all here because of Manchester City, so there no point in people attacking other people, if you don't agree just right a post without attacking the person
 
WEMBLEY76 said:
I often walk from Middleton to the Etihad,approx 6.5 miles,in an hour and three quarters,flat all the way,basically 2 very long roads most of the journey,only blot on the landscape is passing pallet park FC Yoonitid.
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You should take the long way round to avoid the little swamp.
How about walking down the Rochdale Canal, all downhill.
 
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LEXSTARproject said:
Hi Centurions

It was the station at Ashbury I did try and upload one with the photo of the signage but the site would not allow it.

JRB is open to ideas, and so is Petrusha as he stated in his post.

When someone posts an idea, there is a group of people on here that attack people instead as I said in my last post this will not work because?

"If people have some kind of specialist knowledge and can explain why any ideas put forward aren't workable, that's a welcome addition to any discussion. On the other hand, I find it somewhat tiresome when posters post trenchantly that "It'll never happen!" without further explanation. It adds nothing of value to the discussion, as far as I can see."

Its shows the mentality of some people to post "special friends" I don't know jrb but he does write good posts, this is a forum about the stadium. I have been shot down before about only posting in certain threads but that does not make me any less a Man City supporter maybe because I work in that field of work and have an interest in it. Everyone has a different opinion about what works and we are all here because of Manchester City, so there no point in people attacking other people, if you don't agree just right a post without attacking the person
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Which bit of you've already been told why it won't work are you struggling with? Why should anyone keep repeating the same thing when you obviously just ignore it anyway?

Who mentioned being (or not) a City fan BTW?

Edit: if you do work in that field as you put it, how come you've never put any workable ideas forward?
 
Prophet of Doom said:
Not sure who was/is behind that Visit Manchester site - but 4.5million visitors a year is simply not true.

To put it another way - the athletics track velodrome and tennis club we were told by that site would attract more visitors than the Arena and Stadium combined.

That is made up nonsense.
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Maybe they’re including visitors to Asda too :)

You’re probably right as I’d guess City probably attract just under 2m if you include concerts, rugby, events, staff, youth games, academy games & women’s games

Do you have any idea on the footfall of the other ‘attractions’ mentioned?
 
petrusha said:
A couple of points going way back in this thread. I don't have time to locate and quote the original posts as I have a training session to deliver at work soon and need to prepare for it, but the following IMO is worth stating.

First, Aston Villa aren't upgrading their local stations. They're currently in talks with the Mayor of the West Midlands and the local transport authority for this to be done, and are expecting the costs to be met by their local equivalent of TfGM. The fact that Villa have chosen to trumpet this in the press while City are quiet about their discussions along similar lines doesn't make Villa an exemplar for us, and there's no guarantee Villa will get what they're asking for.

Second, the alleged fact that there are few, if any, precedents for a football club to be asked to enter into a section 106 agreement to fund local transport infrastructure is irrelevant here. There are few, if any, precedents for a British football club to enter into an agreement with its local council to develop a 40-acre site next to its stadium and for the club's parent company to enter into a joint venture with a developer to site one of Europe's biggest indoor concert venues right next to its stadium.

Way back before even Thaksin arrived at City, there was an official website for Sportcity Manchester that claimed 4.5 million visitors annually to all the amenities around the stadium - the tennis centre, squash centre, athletics track and so on. About one million of that number will have been attributable to MCFC matches. Stadium expansion and the fact of a better team having more home games in cup competitions means that the latter figure will have increased a bit.

But Co-op Live will have 100 to 150 events per year, so let's hypothesise from that another 1.5 million visitors to the campus every year. The facilities within Co-op Live will be open outside concert times, while the club is building a hotel and offices as part of the new stand. Let's guess that this will add a further 0.5 million to the annual visitor number.

So you're now raising the number of visitors by over 50% from the number that the current transport infrastructure was designed to handle. At the same time, there are parking restrictions coming into force that will make visiting by car much more difficult during times when the Campus is in peak use. In these circumstances, a request to the developer for a significant section 106 contribution to support transport improvements seems entirely reasonable.

Unfortunately, and especially in the light of the parking issues, the mooted improvements discussed so far (walking routes, taxis and the like) seem wholly inadequate. Of course in these circumstances people will quite rightly discuss whether there might be other options, such as running shuttle buses or making use of the freight line running past the ground (as, in the latter case, TfGM did in the past have plans to do).

If people have some kind of specialist knowledge and can explain why any ideas put forward aren't workable, that's a welcome addition to any discussion. On the other hand, I find it somewhat tiresome when posters post trenchantly that "It'll never happen!" without further explanation. It adds nothing of value to the discussion, as far as I can see.

Nonetheless, I do concede we're generally better served by looking at TfGM's current plans and priorities to see what kind of ideas the best chance of flying. I've more to say about that, but I have stuff to do now so it will have to wait.
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TfGM and MCC have plans going through to 2040 and are quite detailed. They have given themselves 5/10 years to just come up with ideas, then another 5 years to discuss/develop/discard these ideas, then 5/10 to implement them. Some things, like Elton Reservoir metrolink stop and car park are relatively simple and might be complete by 2030, others are more complex.

Lots of things are connected. The biggest issue is probably the Castlefield corridor for trains travelling Deansgate/Oxford Rd/Piccadilly. It’s just two tracks and is the most lucrative because it feeds passengers to the airport from far and wide. They built a loop from Victoria to Piccadilly (Ordsall curve) to allow trains from Newcastle to go direct to the airport but it’s made it worse. This was in addition to the Windsor curve that joined Salford Crescent to the Castlefield corridor built in the nineties that allows Glasgow trains a direct route to the airport. Not only airport traffic but commuters use this corridor. Ideally, we’d either widen the corridor (many billions of pounds) or route Glasgow or Newcastle traffic another way. The line down the side of the stadium WAS considered before building Ordsall Curve but rejected (on cost presumably) and it would not have offered direct airport trains to Newcastle or Leeds passengers. Also HS2 complicates things there as does Northern Powerhouse Rail (if it’s still going). In my view, I think they should re-build the viaduct into Piccadilly and re-route Newcastle and Leeds trains to terminate there, with px changing to an airport train, but this can’t be done unless HS2 gets ditched or re-designed.

So how does this affect trams and buses and cars? Well, reducing commuter traffic on the corridor means passengers have to use something else. The trams also have capacity limitations and are subject to major disruption. Extending the tram network is very expensive too and I don’t think building more road running lines is a popular idea any more, so we’re left with two options, buses or tram-train (TT). For the TT option that line by our stadium has potential. It could feed passengers from Marple, Hadfield over to Wigan, Bolton allowing commuters a Victoria city centre destination instead of Piccadilly. It’s just whether it can be as flexible and as regular as a tram to be useful but not affect the train routes from Leeds, Newcastle etc. Plus we’re not hearing much about it since trials in Sheffield ended in 2020 (?), so perhaps that idea has cooled too.

It feels to me that we are much nearer to better buses than anything else. They can serve everywhere in GM but to be effective it does mean there needs to be fewer cars (or at least more help getting them through congested areas).

The new Sandhills metrolink stop might be useful if it goes ahead. It will be as close to the stadium as Piccadilly but will cover Bury and Oldham lines.

TL:DR There are plans already in place for improved public transport. If the buses can be successful like they seem to be in London, maybe we don’t need the billion pound fantasy ideas. And the other thing to consider is that the new arena, the North Stand expansion; they might not know exactly what is needed yet, how people will choose to arrive.
 
LEXSTARproject said:
Hi Centurions

It was the station at Ashbury I did try and upload one with the photo of the signage but the site would not allow it.

JRB is open to ideas, and so is Petrusha as he stated in his post.

When someone posts an idea, there is a group of people on here that attack people instead as I said in my last post this will not work because?

"If people have some kind of specialist knowledge and can explain why any ideas put forward aren't workable, that's a welcome addition to any discussion. On the other hand, I find it somewhat tiresome when posters post trenchantly that "It'll never happen!" without further explanation. It adds nothing of value to the discussion, as far as I can see."

Its shows the mentality of some people to post "special friends" I don't know jrb but he does write good posts, this is a forum about the stadium. I have been shot down before about only posting in certain threads but that does not make me any less a Man City supporter maybe because I work in that field of work and have an interest in it. Everyone has a different opinion about what works and we are all here because of Manchester City, so there no point in people attacking other people, if you don't agree just right a post without attacking the person
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The reason no one is ever going to spend a lot of money on Ashburys station is that it isn’t even on the main line. It only runs to places like Glossop and maybe Marple I think.

Also it isn’t even really that much closer to the ground than Piccadilly. So no one is going to fuck about getting a train from there just to Piccadilly, no matter how much they spend on it.
 
Has the Panda Zoo on the 'ASDA' plot not been announced yet (and apols if so - I've missed a hell of a lot of this thread)?
 
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