Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Or re-open Philips Park station on the Ashton line. Just a short walk away
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I read somewhere a while ago (on a Rail forum, not here) that the original plan for the Commonwealth games was to re-open Park Station for use during the Games

Obviously this never happened but I haven't been able to find any corroboration that this was seriously considered at the time.

I suspect Park would probably only get about as much use as Ashburys does (maybe a few hundred matchday users?)
 
Blue Maverick said:
With the way tv chops and changes fixtures, it will be chaos because concert dates will be set in stone, tv won’t care, it will be carnage around there, the car parks for football will get priority as most will have been included in season tickets, so what if concert goers have pre booked parking and then suddenly they dump a football match on the same night?
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How often is the MEN Arena used?
Couple of times a week? So dont book gigs on Tuesday or Wednesdays (or Thursdays if in the Europa ha ha) that eases any issues for mid week games.
For weekend gigs, gigs in some cases are booked 10 months in advance but most way less. So if promoters are looking to book for a gig in say September for an April gig then City know which weekend is available and which isnt.
Now for the promoter wanting to book in April for a September gig, City need to simply contact the PL before fixtures are arranged and say we want to be away that weekend but clearly there will be a limit to the amount of times we can do that
 
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NeilYoungIsBack said:
I read somewhere a while ago (on a Rail forum, not here) that the original plan for the Commonwealth games was to re-open Park Station for use during the Games

Obviously this never happened but I haven't been able to find any corroboration that this was seriously considered at the time.

I suspect Park would probably only get about as much use as Ashburys does (maybe a few hundred matchday users?)
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ashburys always looked busy when we first moved to the new ground
 
NeilYoungIsBack said:
I have seen no evidence that they are not relying on most people arriving by car. Except on 'clash days' when apparently everyone extra will be walking from the city centre.
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Well waking back to town after a game is like being in an army of City fans. It's rammed. it's not easy to say people travel by foot, by car or by train because many will do two i.e. walk one leg and use the car or train for the next leg.
 
NeilYoungIsBack said:
I read somewhere a while ago (on a Rail forum, not here) that the original plan for the Commonwealth games was to re-open Park Station for use during the Games

Obviously this never happened but I haven't been able to find any corroboration that this was seriously considered at the time.
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I recall that being suggested at the time.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
How often is the MEN Arena used?
Couple of times a week? So dont book gigs on Tuesday or Wednesdays (or Thursdays if in the Europa ha ha) that eases any issues for mid week games.
For weekend gigs, gigs in some cases are booked 10 months in advance but most way less. So if promoters are looking to book for a gig in say September for an April gig then City know which weekend is available and which isnt.
Now for the promoter wanting to book in April for a September gig, City need to simply contact the PL before fixtures are arranged and say we want to be away that weekend but clearly there will be a limit to the amount of times we can do that
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Artists tend to have these things planned well in advanced if we can’t accommodate them they will go to the Arena, Elton John is booked in for December already at MEN, City won’t be able to dictate to premier league when we play at home constantly it will be seen as favouritism, then if they start to use it for other sporting events, basketball etc there will be clashes, it will be chaos.
 
Marvin said:
Well waking back to town after a game is like being in an army of City fans. It's rammed. it's not easy to say people travel by foot, by car or by train because many will do two i.e. walk one leg and use the car or train for the next leg.
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I usually walk from Piccadilly myself to/from matches. I can't see concertgoers being equally keen though. Don't they usually dress up a bit more, like for an evening out?

I dare say the concert demographic will be younger and more female than the typical football crowd. Probably less willing to walk a mile and a half in damp weather

Also, arena event goers in Manchester are used to a city centre location, in particular the train and tram connections available at Victoria. I think the public transport offering in East Manchester will be seen as a significant step backwards by many of those used to Victoria
 
Blue Maverick said:
Artists tend to have these things planned well in advanced if we can’t accommodate them they will go to the Arena, Elton John is booked in for December already at MEN, City won’t be able to dictate to premier league when we play at home constantly it will be seen as favouritism, then if they start to use it for other sporting events, basketball etc there will be clashes, it will be chaos.
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Basketball? Wont be an issue. Couple of hundred max!
 
Blue Maverick said:
Artists tend to have these things planned well in advanced if we can’t accommodate them they will go to the Arena, Elton John is booked in for December already at MEN, City won’t be able to dictate to premier league when we play at home constantly it will be seen as favouritism, then if they start to use it for other sporting events, basketball etc there will be clashes, it will be chaos.
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Agree with what you say though I suspect Spurs will be doing similar regarding fixture requests when they start hosting NFL games
 
NeilYoungIsBack said:
Can anyone think of a location where an arena is located next to a 50K football stadium in a suburban situation?

The one that occurs to me is Hamburg where the football ground is right next to the Colorline Arena (or whatever they call it now). Their arena is smaller though than the one planned for East Manchester..

The difference is that Hamburg's arena is served by a heavy rail line and also two S-Bahn lines so it works fairly well from what I understand. I went to an event at the Arena some years ago but it wasn't during the football season. They must be used to clashes though because they use it for ice hockey (or they did)
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Here in Atlanta, the 70k+ (wonderful) Mercedes Benz stadium is next door to the 21k (wonderful) State Farm Arena, in a downtown location, in one of the most congested cities in America with little to no public transport links or decent Parking facilities.
It works fine ..
Great news about the new arena at Eastlands, will only help the club and the city
 
CorporateBlue said:
Here in Atlanta, the 70k+ (wonderful) Mercedes Benz stadium is next door to the 21k (wonderful) State Farm Arena, in a downtown location, in one of the most congested cities in America with little to no public transport links or decent Parking facilities.
It works fine ..
Great news about the new arena at Eastlands, will only help the club and the city
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Thanks for the information on this. That Mercedes Stadium looks amazing. But (going off what I can see on Google maps and wikpedia) isn't the Arena and stadium served by a dedicated rail station with two transit lines running through?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome/GWCC/Philips_Arena/CNN_Center_station

I think that is the sort of infrastructure we need in Manchester to make this work because we are around 1.5 miles from the city centre here and maybe 20 minutes walk from the nearest heavy rail station (Ashburys) which is very basic (small, unstaffed and has little in the way of shelter for anyone waiting for a train)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashburys_railway_station
 
It looks like our City owners have held fire regarding the expansion of the Etihad pending the FFP outcome that may affect other plans for development.

If found in our favour we can expect an explosion of development around the ground. There is a basic need for better access.
 
NeilYoungIsBack said:
I usually walk from Piccadilly myself to/from matches. I can't see concertgoers being equally keen though. Don't they usually dress up a bit more, like for an evening out?

I dare say the concert demographic will be younger and more female than the typical football crowd. Probably less willing to walk a mile and a half in damp weather

Also, arena event goers in Manchester are used to a city centre location, in particular the train and tram connections available at Victoria. I think the public transport offering in East Manchester will be seen as a significant step backwards by many of those used to Victoria
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They all managed to get there and back ok for the Take That and Spice Girls concerts.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Or re-open Philips Park station on the Ashton line. Just a short walk away
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There’s plenty of room to build a station at the bottom of the car park where Miles Platting station was until 1995. This would be closer and have the benefit of being able to link to more lines whereas Philips Park would only be East or West.
 
manchester blue said:
There’s plenty of room to build a station at the bottom of the car park where Miles Platting station was until 1995. This would be closer and have the benefit of being able to link to more lines whereas Philips Park would only be East or West.
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This would be a good idea from an Eastlands perspective.

The problem might be that NetworkRail (as I understand it) are planning to spend quite a bit of money realigning the tracks through Miles Platting as part of a strategy to increase train speeds (electrification is also likely in the next 3-5 years).

Victoria-Stalybridge is now the main Transpennine route so they may not be keen to re-introduce a station at Miles Platting just where they want to see TPE trains really get moving on their way to Leeds.
 
NeilYoungIsBack said:
Thanks for the information on this. That Mercedes Stadium looks amazing. But (going off what I can see on Google maps and wikpedia) isn't the Arena and stadium served by a dedicated rail station with two transit lines running through?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome/GWCC/Philips_Arena/CNN_Center_station

I think that is the sort of infrastructure we need in Manchester to make this work because we are around 1.5 miles from the city centre here and maybe 20 minutes walk from the nearest heavy rail station (Ashburys) which is very basic (small, unstaffed and has little in the way of shelter for anyone waiting for a train)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashburys_railway_station
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Sorry, yes, meant the comment re driving/parking and 2 events at once.
The MARTA station is close by, but to be honest the network is small and doesn’t really help those in the suburbs. `
 
The gas holder and surrounding land are going to be decommissioned and sold, if im a betting man id say city will but the land along with the council and pun in a new station. The train line literally runs next to it. Looks at its proximity to the new arena.

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https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...-news/iconic-gas-holders-near-etihad-17313845
 
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