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Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread
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oakiecokie
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Thats a great shout.
A good bit of thinking or a ITK ??
Jordie
Well-Known Member
I'd just read that thread and then came on here and it seemed like an obvious link.Thats a great shout.
A good bit of thinking or a ITK ??
The arena row rumbles on.
Another PR media twist
Insider Media North West.
PLANS FOR NEW ARENA CALLED INTO QUESTION
Plans to build a 20,000 capacity arena outside of Manchester city centre have been called into question, with analysis from Grant Thornton suggesting that such a venue could have a "devastating impact" on local businesses.
The firm, in association with Oxford Economics, has conducted an independent study into the proposed facility, which has been outlined as part of the council's Eastlands Regeneration Framework. This focuses on development in and surrounding the Etihad Campus.
As part of its study, Grant Thornton reviewed nine large-scale arenas in the UK and found that most only had one or two other such sites within a 60-minute drive time, whereas Manchester already has three.
It also has the second lowest population per arena within a 60-minute drive time. That figure would reduce further with the introduction of another large-scale venue in close proximity.
Elsewhere, Grant Thornton also considered the wider economic impact of having an arena in the city centre and found that gross spend by visitors was estimated to be £120m in 2018.
Fred Booth, centre director at The Printworks, said: "I opened the Printworks more than 20 years ago and from our inception I have seen the huge role the arena plays in our footfall – whether it's before or after a show.
"The arena's proximity to us, alongside the transport links at Victoria, and various retail outlets, means that concert-goers make full use of Manchester's wider offering. That's really important for the city."
Looking at how spend might change if the proposed new arena at Eastlands goes ahead, a survey showed that more than half of people would be less likely to travel into the city centre if the event they attended was at an arena outside of the city centre, while 45 per cent said they would spend less in the city centre if the event they attended was at an arena outside of the city centre.
Rob Turner, director at Grant Thornton UK, added: "The Manchester Arena currently makes a significant contribution to the city centre, providing over 2,200 jobs and helping to stimulate the local economy.
"Our analysis shows that a new out-of-town arena would put this at risk and have a knock-on effect to the success of the city centre as visitors are pulled away and spending levels decrease."
https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/northwest/plans-for-new-arena-called-into-question
Another PR media twist
Insider Media North West.
PLANS FOR NEW ARENA CALLED INTO QUESTION
Plans to build a 20,000 capacity arena outside of Manchester city centre have been called into question, with analysis from Grant Thornton suggesting that such a venue could have a "devastating impact" on local businesses.
The firm, in association with Oxford Economics, has conducted an independent study into the proposed facility, which has been outlined as part of the council's Eastlands Regeneration Framework. This focuses on development in and surrounding the Etihad Campus.
As part of its study, Grant Thornton reviewed nine large-scale arenas in the UK and found that most only had one or two other such sites within a 60-minute drive time, whereas Manchester already has three.
It also has the second lowest population per arena within a 60-minute drive time. That figure would reduce further with the introduction of another large-scale venue in close proximity.
Elsewhere, Grant Thornton also considered the wider economic impact of having an arena in the city centre and found that gross spend by visitors was estimated to be £120m in 2018.
Fred Booth, centre director at The Printworks, said: "I opened the Printworks more than 20 years ago and from our inception I have seen the huge role the arena plays in our footfall – whether it's before or after a show.
"The arena's proximity to us, alongside the transport links at Victoria, and various retail outlets, means that concert-goers make full use of Manchester's wider offering. That's really important for the city."
Looking at how spend might change if the proposed new arena at Eastlands goes ahead, a survey showed that more than half of people would be less likely to travel into the city centre if the event they attended was at an arena outside of the city centre, while 45 per cent said they would spend less in the city centre if the event they attended was at an arena outside of the city centre.
Rob Turner, director at Grant Thornton UK, added: "The Manchester Arena currently makes a significant contribution to the city centre, providing over 2,200 jobs and helping to stimulate the local economy.
"Our analysis shows that a new out-of-town arena would put this at risk and have a knock-on effect to the success of the city centre as visitors are pulled away and spending levels decrease."
https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/northwest/plans-for-new-arena-called-into-question
ITV News.
Manchester Council responds to new arena report
Manchester Council has responded to a study has called into question the logic behind a proposed large-scale arena outside the city centre in Manchester.
In a statement, a council spokesperson said:
We have always envisaged a range of possible destination uses on the Etihad Campus in East Manchester.
An Arena, alongside other development options, is being explored as part of the overall vision for the area because Eastlands has been identified as a potentially viable location for such a use. The framework is a high level overview setting out an overall vision for the area, not the specific set of proposals which some are choosing to see it as. Like all of our strategic plans, it's about looking at ways we can grow the success of the city - attracting visitors, jobs and investment which otherwise wouldn't be here, not boosting one area at the expense of another.
Supporting and growing Manchester's thriving visitor economy is a key objective for the city. Recent events such as the World Cup cricket games at Old Trafford and the Metallica concert at the Etihad demonstrate how such events contribute significantly to the city centre.
Should a decision be taken to pursue an arena, then this will be determined through the normal planning process following further consultation with residents and other interested parties.
– MANCHESTER CITY COUNCIL SPOKESMAN
Manchester Council responds to new arena report
Manchester Council has responded to a study has called into question the logic behind a proposed large-scale arena outside the city centre in Manchester.
In a statement, a council spokesperson said:
We have always envisaged a range of possible destination uses on the Etihad Campus in East Manchester.
An Arena, alongside other development options, is being explored as part of the overall vision for the area because Eastlands has been identified as a potentially viable location for such a use. The framework is a high level overview setting out an overall vision for the area, not the specific set of proposals which some are choosing to see it as. Like all of our strategic plans, it's about looking at ways we can grow the success of the city - attracting visitors, jobs and investment which otherwise wouldn't be here, not boosting one area at the expense of another.
Supporting and growing Manchester's thriving visitor economy is a key objective for the city. Recent events such as the World Cup cricket games at Old Trafford and the Metallica concert at the Etihad demonstrate how such events contribute significantly to the city centre.
Should a decision be taken to pursue an arena, then this will be determined through the normal planning process following further consultation with residents and other interested parties.
– MANCHESTER CITY COUNCIL SPOKESMAN
This is probably the first time a City proposal at the Etihad campus has generated some opposition. Not surprising, but the City council has to take an overall view, and not just a view in respect of the profits of the the Manchester Arena operator.ITV News.
Manchester Council responds to new arena report
Manchester Council has responded to a study has called into question the logic behind a proposed large-scale arena outside the city centre in Manchester.
In a statement, a council spokesperson said:
We have always envisaged a range of possible destination uses on the Etihad Campus in East Manchester.
An Arena, alongside other development options, is being explored as part of the overall vision for the area because Eastlands has been identified as a potentially viable location for such a use. The framework is a high level overview setting out an overall vision for the area, not the specific set of proposals which some are choosing to see it as. Like all of our strategic plans, it's about looking at ways we can grow the success of the city - attracting visitors, jobs and investment which otherwise wouldn't be here, not boosting one area at the expense of another.
Supporting and growing Manchester's thriving visitor economy is a key objective for the city. Recent events such as the World Cup cricket games at Old Trafford and the Metallica concert at the Etihad demonstrate how such events contribute significantly to the city centre.
Should a decision be taken to pursue an arena, then this will be determined through the normal planning process following further consultation with residents and other interested parties.
– MANCHESTER CITY COUNCIL SPOKESMAN
Not sure I follow the logic of the Rob Turner's argument in the previous post. He says that surveys suggest that if you move the visitors away from the City centre, then spending in the City centre will drop, well OK it might, but it will go up elsewhere. The City council has responsibility for all of Manchester, not just the City Centre, and who is to say what is the City centre and what isn't. At the moment it's regarded as what's inside the inner ring road, but that might change in time.
nmc
Well-Known Member
The arena row rumbles on.
Another PR media twist
Insider Media North West.
PLANS FOR NEW ARENA CALLED INTO QUESTION
Plans to build a 20,000 capacity arena outside of Manchester city centre have been called into question, with analysis from Grant Thornton suggesting that such a venue could have a "devastating impact" on local businesses.
The firm, in association with Oxford Economics, has conducted an independent study into the proposed facility, which has been outlined as part of the council's Eastlands Regeneration Framework. This focuses on development in and surrounding the Etihad Campus.
As part of its study, Grant Thornton reviewed nine large-scale arenas in the UK and found that most only had one or two other such sites within a 60-minute drive time, whereas Manchester already has three.
It also has the second lowest population per arena within a 60-minute drive time. That figure would reduce further with the introduction of another large-scale venue in close proximity.
Elsewhere, Grant Thornton also considered the wider economic impact of having an arena in the city centre and found that gross spend by visitors was estimated to be £120m in 2018.
Fred Booth, centre director at The Printworks, said: "I opened the Printworks more than 20 years ago and from our inception I have seen the huge role the arena plays in our footfall – whether it's before or after a show.
"The arena's proximity to us, alongside the transport links at Victoria, and various retail outlets, means that concert-goers make full use of Manchester's wider offering. That's really important for the city."
Looking at how spend might change if the proposed new arena at Eastlands goes ahead, a survey showed that more than half of people would be less likely to travel into the city centre if the event they attended was at an arena outside of the city centre, while 45 per cent said they would spend less in the city centre if the event they attended was at an arena outside of the city centre.
Rob Turner, director at Grant Thornton UK, added: "The Manchester Arena currently makes a significant contribution to the city centre, providing over 2,200 jobs and helping to stimulate the local economy.
"Our analysis shows that a new out-of-town arena would put this at risk and have a knock-on effect to the success of the city centre as visitors are pulled away and spending levels decrease."
https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/northwest/plans-for-new-arena-called-into-question
I’m not sure reading it that the Grant Thornton work is wholly independent. I’m pretty sure it’s been commissioned - GT wouldn’t produce a study like that out the goodness of their heart and from their own resources - I suspect the MEN Arena caught wind of the development and quickly got GT to help them start a case against any challenge to their monopoly. The problem of course is that ADUG have got the City Council by the bollocks so I’d wager a considerable sum that the new arena will get waved through - regardless of any opposition.
bobbyowenquiff
Well-Known Member
Yes. The first thing I would ask is who commissioned this report. It doesn't seem independent to me. If the city-centre continues to grow into Ancoats as fast as it is now then our stadium will effectively be part of the city-centre in 10 years. Some may have nostalgia about the MEN Arena (as was) but it is a venue that is well past its sell-by date for me. I thought the initial rumour had suggested a possible new Arena on the Ancoats Street retail park site that's effectively in the city-centre anyway. Let's see what happens.I’m not sure reading it that the Grant Thornton work is wholly independent. I’m pretty sure it’s been commissioned - GT wouldn’t produce a study like that out the goodness of their heart and from their own resources - I suspect the MEN Arena caught wind of the development and quickly got GT to help them start a case against any challenge to their monopoly. The problem of course is that ADUG have got the City Council by the bollocks so I’d wager a considerable sum that the new arena will get waved through - regardless of any opposition.
It's absolutely got the whiff of that...I'm guessing they're trying their utmost to procure some form of compensation (its a business after all) because as mentioned above, there will be little to stop the Etihad Campus (and the further regeneration of East Manchester) from rolling on.
With such consultancy 'independence' is generally IMO based on '....he who pays the piper....'I’m not sure reading it that the Grant Thornton work is wholly independent. I’m pretty sure it’s been commissioned - GT wouldn’t produce a study like that out the goodness of their heart and from their own resources - I suspect the MEN Arena caught wind of the development and quickly got GT to help them start a case against any challenge to their monopoly. The problem of course is that ADUG have got the City Council by the bollocks so I’d wager a considerable sum that the new arena will get waved through - regardless of any opposition.