Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

jrb said:
Found the full planning application. Feel free to scroll through it. Tons of info. Link below.

The current Etihad capacity is 53,400.(from the OS) Adding 6,250 seats approved in the original South stand and North stand planning application would take the Etihad stadium capacity to 59,650 seats. 350 seats short of a 60,000 capacity.

The club is ambiguous in it’s wording. WHICH COULD, not, WHICH WILL.

The feasibility studies consider several connected elements, central to which is an expanded North Stand, which could increase capacity of the Etihad Stadium to over 60,000.

If the club sticks with the original South and North stand expansion plans, the capacity of the Etihad will not be over 60,000. (I stand corrected on that)

Another interesting line. Concepts. More than one?

Fans and the local community will be invited to share their priorities and feedback on concepts in early 2023.

From the planning applocation.

Alterations to the Etihad Stadium, including increasing the overall height of the South and North stands and associated elevational alterations, to allow an increase each stand capacity by up to 6,250 seats respectively and up to 2,000 additional pitch side seats creating a total match day capacity of up to 62,170 seats (from 47,670), expansions of concourse facilities, alteration to public realm including changes to car parking layout, landscaping and boundary treatments and associated infrastructure

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Thanks, doubt they would go to the trouble of all that work and not break the 60k capacity barrier ..
 
jrb said:
Models of the expanded Etihad stadium don’t come much better than this.

More pictures and info via the link

Creating the Etihad Model

This model was commissioned in March 2016 and completed in early February 2018. It took an estimated 2000 man hours to research and build during this period. The client and I had met previously and over the course of this commission become good friends.

In 2015 the Etihad stadium had just been expanded, adding a third level to the south stand, taking the capacity from 47,400 to 55,097. The brief for this commission after much consultation was to look to the future and incorporate the addition of the proposed third level to the north stand as well, taking the capacity to 61,000. So this model would be a glimpse into the stadiums future.

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Etihad stadium | Model Stadiums

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That would be an awesome subbuteo set !
 
blueparrot said:
I don’t think the number of tiers make much difference to the atmosphere, we’ve had some great atmospheres as it’s configured now. The difference to atmosphere will come from having one last well thought out relocation and standing areas. We can just as easily have a home end over 3 tiers as we can 2 tiers.
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Getting the pricing right would help as well, even if it does end up being three tiers.

I tend to think it will be three tiers - family stand on tier 1, corporate on tier 2 and then a big third tier - as ostensibly this would fit better with what the club wants to get out of the redevelopment.

Clearly they want a capacity of 60k or more - which could be achieved by 2 or 3 tiers - but you would think that a fair chunk of this increased capacity would be corporate, which would probably be easier to accommodate mirroring the South Stand set-up. The latest set of accounts shows that we still have a way to go on match day revenue so again the corporate offering will need to expand, and presumably an element of this will be tied in with the hotel. I’m not sure how they could incorporate lots of corporate seating into a big second tier, and doing so may just defeat the purpose of having a big second tier in any case as you would expect there to be an impact on the atmosphere.

Having three tiers may also minimise the loss of capacity while the build takes place. This is a complete amateur’s view as I have no connections with the construction industry - so happy to be corrected if I’m wrong - but if the angle/rake of the existing second tier doesn’t allow for it to be simply extended backwards, then I would imagine reconfiguring the whole thing would be costly and disruptive. Again, I’d be interested in hearing a more informed view of this but changing the existing second tier does seem a big job, particularly given how it forms a complete ring across the whole stadium.
 
HelloCity said:
They’re using the 2014 planning permission to develop the stand according to todays announcement which would line up with what Tolmie is saying.
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It has outlying planning permission but you can make amendments to it, the stand can look the same from the outside but loads of changes inside, planning permission normally last about 5 years
 
blueyorkie said:
They are fully aware of this and are looking at solutions.
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They should look at our heartlands
I’d much rather catch a guaranteed scheduled bus to and from south Manchester, where most of our support is from, to the stadium than wrestle with two dangerously overcrowded trams
Etihad direct trams only currently come from rag central
 
LEXSTARproject said:
It has outlying planning permission but you can make amendments to it, the stand can look the same from the outside but loads of changes inside, planning permission normally last about 5 years
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If the application was submitted with the one for the SS then work has already started so lasts indefinitely
 
jrb said:
Hence why I don’t think the North stand will mirror the South stand. As I’ve posted, if that happened the Etihad capacity would be under 60,000.

I think the club will present more then 1 option for the North stand expansion to the fans.
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You have to factor we lost quite a few seats since the original planning consents, mainly due to the double height advertising boards.

That's where the shortfall and ambiguity is now, City aren't sure what the final numbers will be.

Perhaps some are also fixated on the wording of a home end?

In the three-tier proposal, safe standing would be on bottom tier, middle corporate and the third would all be Blues.

When they talk about an exclusive end for City supporters, we may need to accept that simply means no away supporters, unlike the South Stand.

It should be about accomodating more fans, especially younger ones, with attractive pricing structures, rather than catering for bragging rights and older City fans who just want to move stand for a sing song?

At £100m plus build, the club want to be making that return quickly.

The hotel could be the biggest earner in the immediacy, certainly if we run it with our exclusive hotel partner.
 
The thousands of City fans who come from the South of the city using the Altrincham tram service, are treated as absolute shit by Metrolink.

The only time things improve slightly is when engineering work on other lines results in us miraculously getting a direct service to the Etihad. Even that does not help on the return journey though.

Will it need a fatality for the idiots at Metrolink to wake up?
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
You have to factor we lost quite a few seats since the original planning consents, mainly due to the double height advertising boards.

That's where the shortfall and ambiguity is now, City aren't sure what the final numbers will be.

Perhaps some are also fixated on the wording of a home end?

In the three-tier proposal, safe standing would be on bottom tier, middle corporate and the third would all be Blues.

When they talk about an exclusive end for City supporters, we may need to accept that simply means no away supporters, unlike the South Stand.

It should be about accomodating more fans, especially younger ones, with attractive pricing structures, rather than catering for bragging rights and older City fans who just want to move stand for a sing song?

At £100m plus build, the club want to be making that return quickly.

The hotel could be the biggest earner in the immediacy, certainly if we run it with our exclusive hotel partner.
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could there also be an element of the club knowing how to expand ie like the south stand? How that got done and now they know exactly any pit falls that entailed then its a better option than trying something like a single tier stand? We can still home a "home end" in a sense if its all city fans and like you say if the pricing is right then we can have our own Kippax end for the future.
 
theres only one carlito said:
60,083

7,500 safe standing in proposed/new stand.
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We’d comfortably have the most safe standing spaces in the country presuming the safe standing section in the south stand remained as it is.

Also, if we’ve got a 60,083 capacity then I can imagine a ‘sellout’ crowd coming in at around 59,XXX for the most part.
 
jrb said:
Hence why I don’t think the North stand will mirror the South stand. As I’ve posted, if that happened the Etihad capacity would be under 60,000.

I think the club will present more then 1 option for the North stand expansion to the fans.
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With Safe Standing in South Stand Level 1 (and possibly North Stand Level 1) couldn’t 1 of the rows removed for the double advertising boards be reintroduced? Maybe that would cover a 350 capacity shortfall?

I agree it’s more likely that the expanded North Stand won’t mirror the South Stand exactly but maybe 60k could be achieved if the North and South Stands broadly mirrored each other?
 
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