Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[Maly]

Electric buses could be a great idea…..for a transport company.

If you have a pipe dream that City will be investing multi-millions in a fleet of electric buses then crack on. But there is as much chance of them building a travelator from the stadium to Piccadilly as buying a fleet of buses.

It’s up to TfGM and their new Bee Network to pull their finger out and arrange bus and tram solutions.

The council don’t want people driving to the stadium so they will need to find alternative options via TfGM.

Travelator is a great idea mate

Edit
In fact, we could have it going in the direction of town to stadium from before the game until after the final whistle has been blow, to encourage everyone to stay until the end

Be a right fucker traveling on a travelator whilst it’s going in the opposite direction you want to go

 

[supercity88]

So you’ve had it from the horses mouth that there are no improvements planned yet bizarrely think City and OVG are magically gonna pop out and buy a fleet of electric buses.

All complete fantasy.

It depends on what is deemed to be appropriate and required to give planning permission. The South Stand expansion contributed about £600k towards various bits and pieces like a bus layby, pedestrian crossing, taxi rank and then it was all on improving and promoting sustainable travel through ticket/public transport offerings, the walk to the city centre - signage etc.

They have to monitor the impact and submit the results. I'm sure they can claim there's an improvement, but you've got the Coop Arena and a new stand coming, with a hotel/bars etc and it's in their interests to improve access. Realistically they will not do anything unless they have to, but the Council could deem a contribution towards public transport improvements was required to address the issues, and the club could be proactive and look to do something that wins it some PR at the same time.

 

[M43 blue]

Went past the ground today they seem to be digging next to the statues and noticed the city at home building is fenced off is that getting knocked down

 

[jrb]

So you’ve had it from the horses mouth that there are no improvements planned yet bizarrely think City and OVG are magically gonna pop out and buy a fleet of electric buses.

All complete fantasy.

Did I say they would? No I didn’t.

As it stands, I posted what I was told?

Why do you always look for an argument?

BTW. Great username. :-) It sum you up perfectly. :-(

 

[Holcombe bloo]

Did I say they would? No I didn’t.

As it stands, I posted what I was told?

Why do you always look for an argument?

BTW. Great username. :-) It sum you up perfectly. :-(

Some negative stuff from people with no imagination on here, hopefully not mirrored by those who make the decisions on transport infrastructure on about as big a development area in the whole of Manchester in an area that needed it the most.
Tfgm would like a lots more than 50 electric buses but that will be their budget gone. city and ovg won’t want to buy 100 buses and have them sat idle monday to Friday doing nowt all day. Is it really that ridicultus to suggest that the 3 parties get together and do a deal to use 150 buses to replace old diesel stock for day to day use and the campus to use at other times!
we are about to lose thousands of car parking spaces just before we add another 7000 seats. Even without the new arena that will cause chaos and parking fees to surge up. Then on the hopefully very few times a year there is a clash between arena and city there will be total gridlock and nowhere to park.

 

[Prophet of Doom]

Did I say they would? No I didn’t.

As it stands, I posted what I was told?

Why do you always look for an argument?

BTW. Great username. :-) It sum you up perfectly. :-(

I don’t look for arguments just find some of the posts on here are absolutely ridiculous.

There is another one mentioning buying 150 buses !!! Haha

If we are talking about fantasy nonsense then why stop at fleets of buses ? why not buy a fleet of rockets to get fans back to Piccadilly in seconds.

Back on planet earth we won’t be buying buses, building new transport hubs and laying new train lines.

They will leave transport to TfGM and hope the Bee network with provide solutions.

 

[Holcombe bloo]

Also I would add that I think there is some confusion on this topic about what people know will happen, what people think will probably happen and plane old they’d like but probably won’t happen. Like log flumes.

 

[Holcombe bloo]

I don’t look for arguments just find some of the posts on here are absolutely ridiculous.

There is another one mentioning buying 150 buses !!! Haha

If we are talking about fantasy nonsense then why stop at fleets of buses ? why not buy a fleet of rockets to get fans back to Piccadilly in seconds.

Back on planet earth we won’t be buying buses, building new transport hubs and laying new train lines.

They will leave transport to TfGM and hope the Bee network with provide solutions.

Now you are falling into the third category with rocket idea lol. For what its worth I think you may very well be correct in your assumption that city will leave all this to tfgm. As Tolmie has alluded to previously city don’t seem too interested in how well get here. They just want us here as long as possible spending. They will care more if people are put off by major mither getting in and out as that affects their bottom line.
And mark my words if nothing changes with transport, mither is coming.

 

[Holcombe bloo]

It wont


It's not 30 days a year though, not when the Arena opens.

Closer to 200 days that a proper transport plan now needs to be deployed.

Amen. Some on here suggested the events will barely clash so possibly only 3 or 4 times a year. The people who plan music events plan months and regularly well over a year ahead, co-op live won’t want to say to coldplay sorry that slot you have for playing the uk isn’t available as there is a 50/50 chance city might be playing shaktar Donetsk that night. Similarly uefa aren’t really going to give a fuck if Coldplay are booked in on a Tuesday and shift it to a Wednesday.

im sure there will be token efforts to minimise clashes, but with the number of events being discussed but they will happen a fair bit more than three or four times year I think!

 

[LEXSTARproject]

As for solutions from TfGM, when the stadium was built, the plan was to use the freight line west of the stadium for trains coming from Marple and to build a station next to the stadium on that side. There are transport maps from the early 2000s showing the intended Metrolink line with a rail interchange at the station that eventually became Etihad Campus. That was abandoned because tram-trains, as operated in Europe, became regarded as a better solution.

Thus, the plan became to convert the Marple to Manchester train line, which goes through Ashburys, to a tram-train operation with Metrolink frequency. That would require the purchase of new vehicles that can use both the current heavy-rail line between Ashburys and Marple and then run on the streets on the current Metrolink lines from Piccadilly through the city centre. There'd be a new street section from Ashburys through Beswick and into Piccadilly station, with a new Metrolink stop in Beswick that would be a fairly short walk from the southern end of the stadium.

Tram-trains were trialled between Sheffield and Rotherham, and the trial was completed in November 2020. It was apparently regarded as a success, and the line used in the trial was given the go-ahead to continue to operate. However, despite TfGM publicly embracing tram-train solutions a decade ago as the key to Metrolink expansion. They said at the time that the Marple line would be the priority, but there's been no recent talk of this despite the outcome of the trial.

Well said as ever @petrusha

 

[bluesmith]

Amen. Some on here suggested the events will barely clash so possibly only 3 or 4 times a year. The people who plan music events plan months and regularly well over a year ahead, co-op live won’t want to say to coldplay sorry that slot you have for playing the uk isn’t available as there is a 50/50 chance city might be playing shaktar Donetsk that night. Similarly uefa aren’t really going to give a fuck if Coldplay are booked in on a Tuesday and shift it to a Wednesday.

im sure there will be token efforts to minimise clashes, but with the number of events being discussed but they will happen a fair bit more than three or four times year I think!

We already know the likely midweek games for next year for champions league we will know when the league and FA cup dates are it isnt difficult for the arena to avoid those dates they will have 215 blank nights. They could blank out every Tuesday and Wednesday and it wouldnt cover half the blank nights.

There should be hardly any clashes of night games. Possibly Monday or Friday nights but we hardly ever play then and any postponed game rearranged at short notice. We might end up with 1 or 2 a season.

Nobody is spending £100m+ because of 1 or 2 clashes a year.

The reason money should be spent on transport is because its already poor, its going to be worse because of the increased parking restrictions and the extra North stand capacity. Not because of minimal clashes with the arena.

 

[Holcombe bloo]

We already know the likely midweek games for next year for champions league we will know when the league and FA cup dates are it isnt difficult for the arena to avoid those dates they will have 215 blank nights. They could blank out every Tuesday and Wednesday and it wouldnt cover half the blank nights.

There should be hardly any clashes of night games. Possibly Monday or Friday nights but we hardly ever play then and any postponed game rearranged at short notice. We might end up with 1 or 2 a season.

Nobody is spending £100m+ because of 1 or 2 clashes a year.

The reason money should be spent on transport is because its already poor, its going to be worse because of the increased parking restrictions and the extra North stand capacity. Not because of minimal clashes with the arena.

I sincerely hope you are correct about 1 or 2 clashes as when they happen it will be horrendous, I’m just a bit pessimistic about arena event planning saying no to potential huge gigs. i certainly agree that current transport is poor and will get worse with 7000 more seats and several thousand less parking spaces.

 

[bluesmith]

I sincerely hope you are correct about 1 or 2 clashes as when they happen it will be horrendous, I’m just a bit pessimistic about arena event planning saying no to potential huge gigs. i certainly agree that current transport is poor and will get worse with 7000 more seats and several thousand less parking spaces.

Im not even sure the public transport will be that much more horrendous when we get clashes. People will be arriving at different times for the gig to see support bands etc. And most will leave after the main act has finished that will normally be after 2230 when hopefully most blues will be safely away.

Parking could be a different story.

 

[Holcombe bloo]

Im not even sure the public transport will be that much more horrendous when we get clashes. People will be arriving at different times for the gig to see support bands etc. And most will leave after the main act has finished that will normally be after 2230 when hopefully most blues will be safely away.

Parking could be a different story.

Parking will be a nightmare mate! Actually I wonder if event goers will be less likely to use public transport or remote parking hubs than city fans. I’m very pro car as the tram has been a disaster when I’ve tried it in the past from bury but I’m will to try again on public transport if there is a decent option. I’m not holding my breath though.

 

[jrb]

I don’t look for arguments just find some of the posts on here are absolutely ridiculous.

There is another one mentioning buying 150 buses !!! Haha

If we are talking about fantasy nonsense then why stop at fleets of buses ? why not buy a fleet of rockets to get fans back to Piccadilly in seconds.

Back on planet earth we won’t be buying buses, building new transport hubs and laying new train lines.

They will leave transport to TfGM and hope the Bee network with provide solutions.

It’s a forum, shock, horror.

A forum for discussion.

People are entitled to their views and opinions just like you are. I haven’t shoutEd you down, even though I could at times when I’ve read some of your posts.

Nothing is set in stone. Bar posting what we think, been told or heard, we don’t really know what‘s going on behind the scenes. Until we do, discussion, ideas, and conjecture will continue on this thread and on the North stand expansion thread. There’s nothing wrong with that. It makes interesting reading. With another 4 years of discussion to go, you better get used to it.

PS. The Monorail definitely isn’t happening. ;-)

 

[Holcombe bloo]

It’s a forum, shock, horror.

A forum for discussion.

People are entitled to their views and opinions just like you are. I haven’t shoutEd you down, even though I could at times when I’ve read some of your posts.

Nothing is set in stone. Bar posting what we think, been told or heard, we don’t really know what‘s going on behind the scenes. Until we do, discussion, ideas, and conjecture will continue on this thread and on the North stand expansion thread. There’s nothing wrong with that. It makes interesting reading. With another 4 years of discussion to go, you better get used to it.

PS. The Monorail definitely isn’t happening. ;-)

Well of course there will no monorail -The great prophet of doom has already announced there will be a fleet of rockets ! To say otherwise is blasphemy

 

[jrb]

For Saturday and Sunday games I’ve ditched my car. I always used to drive from Burnage. Now I leave the house earlier, stroll to Leve, get the 192 bus(£2 each way), get off at London Road Fire Station, have a couple of drinks in town, either walk or catch the tram to the Etihad, and do the same going back home, stopping off in Leve for a couple of drinks. Midweek games are different. I still use my car as I have to be up at 3.45 in the morning for work.

 

[jrb]

Well of course there will no monorail -The great prophet of doom has already announced there will be a fleet of rockets ! To say otherwise is blasphemy

The log flume and rollercoaster has also been ditched.

 

[jrb]

The 3000 capacity indoor plaza and the Coop Arena canal side bar and terrace which will remain open at the North stand end of the ground will attract fans leaving the match. That should reduce the number of people waiting for trams and wanting to go back into town straight after the match.

 

[jrb]

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The £81m order, placed with UK manufacturer Wrightbus and totalling 193 buses, is the largest EV bus purchase outside of London and will see new zero emission buses being rolled out across England from March 2023.

The bus operator will invest £43m in the new vehicles and will be supported to complete the electric fleet project with a £38m grant from the Department for Transport’s (DfT) Zero Emission Bus Regional Area (ZEBRA) funding scheme.

First Bus places UK’s largest ever electric bus order | LocalGov

First Bus has placed one of the UK’s largest EV bus orders following bids with local authorities to a Government scheme aimed at promoting zero emission buses.

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The October 2021 Spending Review announced that a further £150 million would be available to support the ZEBRA scheme, taking the total funding available for the scheme to £270 million in the financial year 2021 to 2022, from the initial allocated £120 million.

This funding is to help local transport authorities (LTAs), outside London, to introduce zero-emission buses and the infrastructure needed to support them.

[Withdrawn] Zero Emission Bus Regional Areas (ZEBRA) scheme

Information for local transport authorities in England, outside London, on the ZEBRA scheme.

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It probably won’t happen, but it would be good and great PR if electric buses were available in 3 years time when the North stand expansion is completed and the capacity of the Etihad is increased to 60.000+.

I’ll leave it at that.