Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

[Matty]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Hmm, was this cancellation coincidential or not?

Money plays a big difference now, NBA would never of looked "Up North" if it wasn't for our Sheikh

Does anyone know where/how to obtain tickets for this NBA event? the article doesn't let on... I don't personally like the sport but my Brother loves it

The cancellation was nothing to do with England, it's a union dispute in America. They're pretty bolshy with this kind of stuff, Baseball and Ice Hockey have both sat out parts of, if not entire seasons without playing due to labour strikes. Can you imagine Gordon Taylor announcing that the Premier League wasn't taking place in the 2012-13 season due to issues between the league and the players union?! We'd go mental!

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

I mentioned the below in the Mansour RBS thread, but probably more valid here?

The owners have missed an absolute trick IMO, a no brainer.

For the cost of the training ground, they should have compensated the council, bought and knocked the MEN Arena, redeveloped, and opened the City Arena right next to the stadium.

They need 365 days a year traffic, not a white elephant.

Concerts, indoor sporting events (tennis, basketball, ice hockey, boxing) The North's answer to the 02

A licence to print money in site fees, alone?

 

[somapop]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

I mentioned the below in the Mansour RBS thread, but probably more valid here?

The owners have missed an absolute trick IMO, a no brainer.

For the cost of the training ground, they should have compensated the council, bought and knocked the MEN Arena, redeveloped, and opened the City Arena right next to the stadium.

They need 365 days a year traffic, not a white elephant.

Concerts, indoor sporting events (tennis, basketball, ice hockey, boxing) The North's answer to the 02

A licence to print money in site fees, alone?

Who's to say this isn't already being 'mooted/discussed'? The arena is currently without a sponser (must be losing a bit of dosh by the day) and the area immediately around the arean is being developed (NOMA, Vic station...HSR2??)...and no one is going to miss the building (it's extremely difficult to remember what it blinking looks like - it's a non entity in architectural terms).

Wouldn't be at all suprised if a new arena is planned on the 'campus'....

 

[OB1]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

I mentioned the below in the Mansour RBS thread, but probably more valid here?

The owners have missed an absolute trick IMO, a no brainer.

For the cost of the training ground, they should have compensated the council, bought and knocked the MEN Arena, redeveloped, and opened the City Arena right next to the stadium.

They need 365 days a year traffic, not a white elephant.

Concerts, indoor sporting events (tennis, basketball, ice hockey, boxing) The North's answer to the 02

A licence to print money in site fees, alone?

A good idea.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

I mentioned the below in the Mansour RBS thread, but probably more valid here?

The owners have missed an absolute trick IMO, a no brainer.

For the cost of the training ground, they should have compensated the council, bought and knocked the MEN Arena, redeveloped, and opened the City Arena right next to the stadium.

They need 365 days a year traffic, not a white elephant.

Concerts, indoor sporting events (tennis, basketball, ice hockey, boxing) The North's answer to the 02

A licence to print money in site fees, alone?

Who's to say this isn't already being 'mooted/discussed'? The arena is currently without a sponser (must be losing a bit of dosh by the day) and the area immediately around the arean is being developed (NOMA, Vic station...HSR2??)...and no one is going to miss the building (it's extremely difficult to remember what it blinking looks like - it's a non entity in architectural terms).

Wouldn't be at all suprised if a new arena is planned on the 'campus'....

City seem to be struggling to find a related partner/sponsor for the site.

If they were entertaining such an idea, partnering a member of the Abu Dhabi royal family would surely overcome most hurdles, especially if they are funding the build.

If the related profits from such an arena were to come to City, they could not call it the Coca-Cola Arena etc.

It would have to be the Man City arena, all we would need is a management company to run it for us.

For that reason, I think we have ruled out such an option. The current economy means people are very picky when it comes to their disposable income.

People will still find the money to see their favourite team/band.

My concern would be if our owners felt some aquarium or Ferrari World would pull in the 5 million visitors a year they say they want.

Two or three concerts a week at a Man City arena, a 25,000 capacity with related lounges and exec boxes, would easily bring in £1m a week.

It would be like the stadium hosting a couple of summer concerts every week, with the thousands it brings to the area in terms of leisure, hotels and cafes.

It would be so easy to do, as long as the MEN Arena was taken out of the equation.

A Man City basketball team, ice-hockey team, X Factor auditions, Celeb Come Dancing roadshow, Disney on Ice etc.

That collar site would be pretty special, and certainly big enough.

Imagine going to a game during the afternoon to watch the blues and then sticking around to take in an evening concert next door.

And with the Metro taking the strain.

I'd also get a major kick out of rival football fans filling our coffers!

 

[somapop]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

^^ Thought they might be struggling on the preferred sponser front...it's not as easy it sounds on paper. I think Apollo Leisure were involved at one stage?

Of course there are rival leisure 'conduits' in the city (and the Quays) itself...careful not to step on our own toes. I think the Royal Opera House felt some of that (amongst other hurdles).

No one will miss the physical 'MEN Arena', it's whether it's better placed in the city proper or time to expand the city wider by creating larger developments on the fringes (a la Salford Quays).
I placed the non movement on the arena sponsor and a open legged plot at the campus together and came up with 4 sperm whales.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

^^ Thought they might be struggling on the preferred sponser front...it's not as easy it sounds on paper. I think Apollo Leisure were involved at one stage?

Of course there are rival leisure 'conduits' in the city (and the Quays) itself...careful not to step on our own toes. I think the Royal Opera House felt some of that (amongst other hurdles).

No one will miss the physical 'MEN Arena', it's whether it's better placed in the city proper or time to expand the city wider by creating larger developments on the fringes (a la Salford Quays).
I placed the non movement on the arena sponsor and a open legged plot at the campus together and came up with 4 sperm whales.

The council would be presented with an opportunity to have a world-class concert arena known throughout Europe, synomonous with Manchester and MCFC.

The MEN Arena, as you say, blink, and you would not know it is even there.

But it is currently is a very lucrative area of the City which we could develop with the Coop.

Would be nice to see Victoria Station returned to its former glory and we could rename it Manchester City central Victoria - more to FFPR.

In terms of stepping on toes, I don't see where. We owe Salford or Trafford nothing.

The parking problems around the existing arena are well documented. Getting a Metro to the outskirts of the City would be ideal for everyone.

There must be venues in the States which have such developments attached?

 

[somapop]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

^^ Thought they might be struggling on the preferred sponser front...it's not as easy it sounds on paper. I think Apollo Leisure were involved at one stage?

Of course there are rival leisure 'conduits' in the city (and the Quays) itself...careful not to step on our own toes. I think the Royal Opera House felt some of that (amongst other hurdles).

No one will miss the physical 'MEN Arena', it's whether it's better placed in the city proper or time to expand the city wider by creating larger developments on the fringes (a la Salford Quays).
I placed the non movement on the arena sponsor and a open legged plot at the campus together and came up with 4 sperm whales.

The council would be presented with an opportunity to have a world-class concert arena known throughout Europe, synomonous with Manchester and MCFC.

The MEN Arena, as you say, blink, and you would not know it is even there.

But it is currently is a very lucrative area of the City with the Coop developing the surrounding areas.

In terms of stepping on toes, I don't see where. We owe Salford or Trafford anything.

The parking problems around the existing arena are well documented. Getting a Metro to the outskirts of the City would be ideal for everyone.

There must be venues in the States which have such developments attached.

'We don't owe Salford/Trafford anything'?

The Royal Opera House was deemed to potentially place their feet on the feet of the Lowry Theatre...it's part of the same city region really, as Mediacity is in (in reality) 'Manchester'.

That land next which the arena sits must be worth a bob or two considering the developments now kicking off there...but then again, taking a magnet such as the arena from there might seriously pi$$ off all the hotel owners popping up new ones by the day.

Unlike the NEC for example, the campus site would really be an extension (and well connected) to the city and not a remote business park affair...it does seem strikingly obvious...but who knows!

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

^^ Thought they might be struggling on the preferred sponser front...it's not as easy it sounds on paper. I think Apollo Leisure were involved at one stage?

Of course there are rival leisure 'conduits' in the city (and the Quays) itself...careful not to step on our own toes. I think the Royal Opera House felt some of that (amongst other hurdles).

No one will miss the physical 'MEN Arena', it's whether it's better placed in the city proper or time to expand the city wider by creating larger developments on the fringes (a la Salford Quays).
I placed the non movement on the arena sponsor and a open legged plot at the campus together and came up with 4 sperm whales.

The council would be presented with an opportunity to have a world-class concert arena known throughout Europe, synomonous with Manchester and MCFC.

The MEN Arena, as you say, blink, and you would not know it is even there.

But it is currently is a very lucrative area of the City with the Coop developing the surrounding areas.

In terms of stepping on toes, I don't see where. We owe Salford or Trafford anything.

The parking problems around the existing arena are well documented. Getting a Metro to the outskirts of the City would be ideal for everyone.

There must be venues in the States which have such developments attached.

'We don't owe Salford/Trafford anything'?

The Royal Opera House was deemed to potentially place their feet on the feet of the Lowry Theatre...it's part of the same city region really, as Mediacity is in (in reality) 'Manchester'.

That land next which the arena sits must be worth a bob or two considering the developments now kicking off there...but then again, taking a magnet such as the arena from there might seriously pi$$ off all the hotel owners popping up new ones by the day.

Unlike the NEC for example, the campus site would really be an extension (and well connected) to the city and not a remote business park affair...it does seem strikingly obvious...but who knows!

Manchester City council have been looking for payback on Trafford and Peel Holdings ever since the Trafford Centre was built.

I'm sure they didn't think twice when it came to taking trade away from Manchester city centre!

 

[OB1]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

^^ Thought they might be struggling on the preferred sponser front...it's not as easy it sounds on paper. I think Apollo Leisure were involved at one stage?

Of course there are rival leisure 'conduits' in the city (and the Quays) itself...careful not to step on our own toes. I think the Royal Opera House felt some of that (amongst other hurdles).

No one will miss the physical 'MEN Arena', it's whether it's better placed in the city proper or time to expand the city wider by creating larger developments on the fringes (a la Salford Quays).
I placed the non movement on the arena sponsor and a open legged plot at the campus together and came up with 4 sperm whales.

The L.A. Arena was next door to the L.A. Coliseum, many years back.

The council would be presented with an opportunity to have a world-class concert arena known throughout Europe, synomonous with Manchester and MCFC.

The MEN Arena, as you say, blink, and you would not know it is even there.

But it is currently is a very lucrative area of the City which we could develop with the Coop.

Would be nice to see Victoria Station returned to its former glory and we could rename it Manchester City central Victoria - more to FFPR.

In terms of stepping on toes, I don't see where. We owe Salford or Trafford nothing.

The parking problems around the existing arena are well documented. Getting a Metro to the outskirts of the City would be ideal for everyone.

There must be venues in the States which have such developments attached?