Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

[suarez7]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Recently real madrid launched their island city in dubai , will revenue they generate go to income of the club under FFP? If yes , it will be massive profit for them , it will generate hundreds of milllions
Do anyone know about this?

 

[Marvin]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

I haven't heard about this. In theory it could help FFP income as expenditure on infrastructure is excluded and if the income is from Real Madrid brand then it can be included

Dubai has been home to lots of speculative property investment which suddenly dried up when the property market dived. It could be an old scheme that has bombed and will never come to pass?

 

[Shaelumstash]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Recently real madrid launched their island city in dubai , will revenue they generate go to income of the club under FFP? If yes , it will be massive profit for them , it will generate hundreds of milllions
Do anyone know about this?

If this is property development and they are trying to sell apartments on it, in Dubai in 2012 I wouldn't be too optimistic they are going to sell a huge amount of them.

 

[Rammyblues]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

This talk of expansion and the car parks and things I remeber about a year ago being told that Mike Sumberbee had said that the car parks would be phased out near the ground and that access would be by park and ride. With the tram arriving seems the next step would be to sort out the buses. Not sure if the car parks were used how much extra area there would be round the ground for other uses but I am pretty sure it would be vast.

 

[suarez7]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

The
proposed development will
be located on an artificial
island off the coast of the
sleepy northern Emirate of
Ras al-Khaimah, one of
seven states which include
Abu Dhabi and Dubai.
Plans for the project include
a theme park, yacht club and
marina, as well as a 450-room hotel. Oh, and
don’t forget the 10,000-capacity stadium
which will face onto the sea.
Set for completion in January 2015, the 50
hectare facility is expected to attract around
one million visitors in its opening year.

And they are expecting to break even in three years , so basically will earn 1b in three years so around 330m a year , and i think that will count as pure profit as the initial investement not counts towards spending in FFP , their earning will receive a massive boost with it , and will make FFP look like a bad joke!!

 

[ste.sully]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Sorry but you are talking tosh here, Alistair Mackintosh categorically said when we moved in to the stadium that it definitely is not built with any further expansion in mind, there are no foundations and there is the issue with the roof and spirals. I'm not saying it can't be done with a lot of money being thrown at it, but the stadium was built for 48k and no more. Any expansion will be a huge undertaking, will take a while and a lot of money, so don't kid yourselves.

this is correct

It would be naive to think you can take the roof off, add another tier and plonk it back on. It would also be naive to suggest that the stadium can't be expanded. It's bad design not to think of the future & the implications of erecting, possibly expanding and dismantling the structure. I don't believe for a second that the architects and engineers who designed City's stadium, the Allianz Arena, the Bird's Nest Stadium & Donbass Arena are bad designers because they are some of the best stadiums to be built in the world over the past decade.

 

[Gordyola]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Sorry but you are talking tosh here, Alistair Mackintosh categorically said when we moved in to the stadium that it definitely is not built with any further expansion in mind, there are no foundations and there is the issue with the roof and spirals. I'm not saying it can't be done with a lot of money being thrown at it, but the stadium was built for 48k and no more. Any expansion will be a huge undertaking, will take a while and a lot of money, so don't kid yourselves.

this is correct

It would be naive to think you can take the roof off, add another tier and plonk it back on. It would also be naive to suggest that the stadium can't be expanded. It's bad design not to think of the future & the implications of erecting, possibly expanding and dismantling the structure. I don't believe for a second that the architects and engineers who designed City's stadium, the Allianz Arena, the Bird's Nest Stadium & Donbass Arena are bad designers because they are some of the best stadiums to be built in the world over the past decade.

Dont agree that its bad design to not incorporate expansion The architects would have worked from a brief, its unlikely that the brief would have included thoughts of expansion. Taking the post war attendance records the 48K capacity would have been deemed more than adequate for City. No one could have predicted that the Sheikh would take over and make City into the global brand that it has become even now we dont merit a stadium much larger time will tell if thats the case highly likely if success continues. To have included expansion in the design would have incurred additional costs and a design different that we have I doubt very much that there were funds available for the expansion factor especially hard to justify when facts would not support it.
Dont think anyone is saying the stadium cant be expanded just that it would be a massive undertaking incurring hugh costs and the logistics of doing so whilst still using the stadium would be extremely difficult due to the roof design

 

[bluemoondays]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

The
proposed development will
be located on an artificial
island off the coast of the
sleepy northern Emirate of
Ras al-Khaimah, one of
seven states which include
Abu Dhabi and Dubai.
Plans for the project include
a theme park, yacht club and
marina, as well as a 450-room hotel. Oh, and
don’t forget the 10,000-capacity stadium
which will face onto the sea.
Set for completion in January 2015, the 50
hectare facility is expected to attract around
one million visitors in its opening year.

And they are expecting to break even in three years , so basically will earn 1b in three years so around 330m a year , and i think that will count as pure profit as the initial investement not counts towards spending in FFP , their earning will receive a massive boost with it , and will make FFP look like a bad joke!!

I thought investments like that had to be based in or around the ground to count towards FFPR. Otherwise teams could just build a chain of hotels anywhere in the world and just say they are "xxx football club" hotels and rake in the cash. Having it geographically bound reduces the possibility of what is, basically, a fiddle on FFPR rules.

On the plus side for RM, they would have the income but couldn't put it towards FFPR so would be useful for spending on non-FFPR outgoings like stadium expansion, youth team etc - leaving more cash from their revenue to put into FFPR. I assume this is what they are doing and not going to be able to claim it as FFPR income.

 

[celf]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

does anybody know if the area next to the stadium,where the casino was supposed to be is going to be redeveloped? its a bloody eyesore!!!

 

[nmc]

Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

does anybody know if the area next to the stadium,where the casino was supposed to be is going to be redeveloped? its a bloody eyesore!!!

Ownership of the land moved from the council to MCFC on a 250 year lease recently - but there was a claw back arrangement if we didn't develop the land within a reasonable period of time. Personally I'd put a state of the art stadium on it and rebuild present stadium into a huge multi purpose indoor arena.


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