Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

[toffee balls]

I'm really intrigued by how they will do the expansion now.

As lots of us said some time ago 'anything is possible' but many of us laypeople simply can't envisage how this will be achieved.

I suppose building the new roof over the existing structure leaving everything else in-situ and then doing the more serious work below the new roof is perfectly feasible but flies in the face of every other expansion that we ahve seen carried out.

Its still going to be an easier job than Spurs' plans for their new stadium though.

Here's an image of how that will go with Spurs having 2 stadiums at the same time ahead of the removal of one stand at WHL to allow the completion of the final stand at the new stadium.

Where is that fbloke ??

<a class="postlink" href="https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Tottenham+Hotspur+Football+Club,+High+Road,+London&hl=en&ll=51.603006,-0.065864&spn=0.003992,0.011319&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=7.953187,23.181152&oq=white+hart+&hq=Tottenham+Hotspur+Football+Club,&hnear=High+Rd,+London,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=17" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Totten ... m&t=h&z=17</a>

 

[fbloke]

I'm really intrigued by how they will do the expansion now.

As lots of us said some time ago 'anything is possible' but many of us laypeople simply can't envisage how this will be achieved.

I suppose building the new roof over the existing structure leaving everything else in-situ and then doing the more serious work below the new roof is perfectly feasible but flies in the face of every other expansion that we ahve seen carried out.

Its still going to be an easier job than Spurs' plans for their new stadium though.

Here's an image of how that will go with Spurs having 2 stadiums at the same time ahead of the removal of one stand at WHL to allow the completion of the final stand at the new stadium.

Where is that fbloke ??

<a class="postlink" href="https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Tottenham+Hotspur+Football+Club,+High+Road,+London&hl=en&ll=51.603006,-0.065864&spn=0.003992,0.011319&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=7.953187,23.181152&oq=white+hart+&hq=Tottenham+Hotspur+Football+Club,&hnear=High+Rd,+London,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=17" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Totten ... m&t=h&z=17</a>

I took it off a Spurs forum, its there to show the method and is actually Bilbao's new stadium.

 

[Falastur]

Believe is just one of the options they are considering. i believe it would be the best option, as would save money in the long run on construction costs. Disruption kept to one season.

Not sure it is the best option. For whatever period they are constructing the new ends, they'll have to close off at least the entire end and possibly some of the adjacent stand. If they work on both ends at once, you're going to end up with a temporary capacity of 15-20,000 for several months due to both ends being closed at once.

Had the tour on Saturday and they are sure that no capacity will be lost , and the roof will only be lost for a few games

Hmm. Fair enough. I'd be surprised if they were able to pull that off but they are employing engineers and I am not one, so I must defer to their knowledge here.

 

[blueparrot]

Not sure it is the best option. For whatever period they are constructing the new ends, they'll have to close off at least the entire end and possibly some of the adjacent stand. If they work on both ends at once, you're going to end up with a temporary capacity of 15-20,000 for several months due to both ends being closed at once.

Had the tour on Saturday and they are sure that no capacity will be lost , and the roof will only be lost for a few games

Hmm. Fair enough. I'd be surprised if they were able to pull that off but they are employing engineers and I am not one, so I must defer to their knowledge here.

The guide didn't know how they were going to pull it off either, but assured us thats what they had been told

 

[nmc]

Not sure if this has already been posted... <a class="postlink" href="http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2013/09/04/manchester-hatches-grand-hs2-station-plan/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.constructionenquirer.com/201 ... tion-plan/</a>?

 

[unexpected item]

I'm really intrigued by how they will do the expansion now.

As lots of us said some time ago 'anything is possible' but many of us laypeople simply can't envisage how this will be achieved.

I suppose building the new roof over the existing structure leaving everything else in-situ and then doing the more serious work below the new roof is perfectly feasible but flies in the face of every other expansion that we ahve seen carried out.

Its still going to be an easier job than Spurs' plans for their new stadium though.

Here's an image of how that will go with Spurs having 2 stadiums at the same time ahead of the removal of one stand at WHL to allow the completion of the final stand at the new stadium.

Where is that fbloke ??

<a class="postlink" href="https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Tottenham+Hotspur+Football+Club,+High+Road,+London&hl=en&ll=51.603006,-0.065864&spn=0.003992,0.011319&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=7.953187,23.181152&oq=white+hart+&hq=Tottenham+Hotspur+Football+Club,&hnear=High+Rd,+London,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=17" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Totten ... m&t=h&z=17</a>

I took it off a Spurs forum, its there to show the method and is actually Bilbao's new stadium.

You shouldn't mention sp*rs on this wonderful thread mate. It will a mess of graphs, bar charts and spreadsheets before you can say 'Bale is still a sp*rs player'

 

[jrb]

MEN linking the Etihad Campus to the new HS2 train station/ £1 billion redevelopment proposal of Piccadilly Train Station and the surrounding area.

Please click on the link for the proposal. Too much to repost.(img, quote, etc) Thanks.

Click to enlarge.

[bigimg]http://imageshack.us/a/img203/2962/lp6h.jpg[/bigimg]

Post 300/jrb.

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[The Pink Panther]

MEN linking the Etihad Campus to the new HS2 train station/ £1 billion redevelopment proposal of Piccadilly Train Station and the surrounding area.

Please click on the link for the proposal. Too much to repost.(img, quote, etc) Thanks.

Click to enlarge.

[bigimg]http://imageshack.us/a/img203/2962/lp6h.jpg[/bigimg]

Post 300/jrb.

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HS2 will never happen

 

[flipmode]

HS2 will never happen

I wouldn't be so sure. We're already talking openly about the expansion of a stadium we've only been tenants of for 10 years. I bet no City fan would've thought that possible when we made the move from Maine Road.

Whilst the feasibility and logistical nightmare of implementing something the majority of the country does not want will be undoubtedly hard, it is nice to dare to dream that an area of East Manchester that has been stuck in a bygone era for decades, might just be able to be given the facelift it has craved, with the tangible promise of HS2 coming to Manchester.

 

[The Pink Panther]

HS2 will never happen

I wouldn't be so sure. We're already talking openly about the expansion of a stadium we've only been tenants of for 10 years. I bet no City fan would've thought that possible when we made the move from Maine Road.

Whilst the feasibility and logistical nightmare of implementing something the majority of the country does not want will be undoubtedly hard, it is nice to dare to dream that an area of East Manchester that has been stuck in a bygone era for decades, might just be able to be given the facelift it has craved, with the tangible promise of HS2 coming to Manchester.

East Manchester will be totally transformed over the next few decades without HS2

The Conservatives will have little chance at the next election and I guarantee that Labour's manifesto will promise to scrap the plans for HS2 to buy middle England's votes

 

[somapop]

MEN linking the Etihad Campus to the new HS2 train station/ £1 billion redevelopment proposal of Piccadilly Train Station and the surrounding area.

Please click on the link for the proposal. Too much to repost.(img, quote, etc) Thanks.

Click to enlarge.

[bigimg]http://imageshack.us/a/img203/2962/lp6h.jpg[/bigimg]

Post 300/jrb.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1610576&page=15" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthrea ... 76&page=15</a>

Had a browse through the PDF document (it's about 76 pages long) and there's some incredible plans around the Piccadilly area (obvious questions over feasibility and where the money will come from etc). Sounds like they'd like to crack on irrespective of the HS2 go ahead (the area around the station doesn't necessarily match the City's ambition and 'brand'). The Etihad campus is clearly given a big nod however, such is it's importance for linking to the City proper.
There's a lot of thought, planning (and money) gone into that document/plans however...

 

[HelloCity]

For those wondering how the North and South Stands will he developed, remember that United took the roof off the Stretford End and their East Stand and added a new tier and roof, all during the season. Took about 9 months per stand to fully complete. Might be worth looking into how they did it all.

 

[petrusha]

MEN linking the Etihad Campus to the new HS2 train station/ £1 billion redevelopment proposal of Piccadilly Train Station and the surrounding area.

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Had a browse through the PDF document (it's about 76 pages long) and there's some incredible plans around the Piccadilly area (obvious questions over feasibility and where the money will come from etc). Sounds like they'd like to crack on irrespective of the HS2 go ahead (the area around the station doesn't necessarily match the City's ambition and 'brand'). The Etihad campus is clearly given a big nod however, such is it's importance for linking to the City proper.
There's a lot of thought, planning (and money) gone into that document/plans however...

Way back in the mists of time when the Vegas thread was in its early days, I had a nod from someone pretty reliable suggesting that ADUG's investment in MCFC might be accompanied by Abu Dhabi investment in developing not only the area round the stadium but other projects in Manchester as a whole. So far, the only specific news along those lines has been Etihad opening its only European call centre near the airport and the abortive bid by Abu Dhabi Investment Authority for a stake in the airport (they eventually did a deal with an Australian investor).

More recently, there's been some gossip that parties related to City's owner may be looking at investing in the Holt Town scheme, because they don't want there to be a rather derelict area of the kind there currently is between the Etihad Campus and the city centre. Whether or not it's true that Abu Dhabi money may be involved, it was interesting to see news today that the Holt Town scheme may be revived: http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/nort...000-homes-at-holt-town.html?news_section=4150.

The Piccadilly plans relate to the point where, HS2 or no HS2, the majority of people coming to central Manc from elsewhere in the UK will arrive. It's on 'our' side of Manchester city centre (rather than, say, the Salford side), little over a mile from the Etihad Campus - which, we're told, will house an attraction of "national significance" among other things.

I stress that I'm not claiming any inside knowledge in my respect and my comments are purely speculative. However, I do think that it may not be entirely beyond the bounds of credibility that parties with a connection to MCFC stakeholders could end up with a finger in this particular pie.

 

[petrusha]

Anyway, moving away from speculation and on to the stadium itself. I see that there's a thread already for the LG sponsorship deal, but as it also relates to enhanced facilities available within the stadium, I reckon it can also be justifiably mentioned here in addition so that we can discuss that specific aspect in context. The text of the MEN story is below, and here's a link for those who prefer: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...s/manchester-city-announce-deal-south-5841503.

Manchester City announce deal with South Korean firm LG

5 Sep 2013 09:45
By Mike Keegan

Life is good for Manchester City after they signed a deal with South Korean electronics firm LG.

The two-year deal has seen the installation of 360 LED screens at the Etihad Stadium on the concourses and in the hospitality suites.

City say that a further 320 flat screens will also be installed at the new City Football Academy which is currently being built across the road from the ground and is due to open next summer.

Commenting on the partnership, Chief Commercial & Operating Officer for the Blues, Tom Glick, said: “LG’s reputation for designing innovative consumer products and applying new technologies throughout five decades has reinforced the brand’s status as a global leader within the electronics industry.

“Manchester City is committed to continuous improvement of our facilities for our fans on match days and visitors to the Etihad Stadium for meetings and special events.

“The digital refit of our stadium concourses and hospitality facilities is only the beginning of our exciting partnership with LG. More enhancements for our fans are planned for the coming months, and we look forward to making the Etihad Stadium and City Football Academy a showcase for LG’s world class products.”

LG Electronics UK President Brian Na added: “We are delighted to be an official partner of Manchester City Football Club; during what we are confident will be an exciting and successful season for the club.”

As part of the partnership, LG will be permitted to use City players and the Club crest in advertising, packaging and point-of-sale across LG’s vast sales networks around the globe.

In addition, LG branding will also feature in a range of advertising from the match day programme through to perimeter LED screens.

Meanwhile, can anyone confirm that the portakabin displaying information about the potential expansion has now closed? The City website initially suggested that this consultation would originally run in July and August, so I assumed that this would mean until after the Hull game. The site originally suggested that there would be a further public consultation (presumably once they were able to confirm which options had been chosen in terms of timescale, away fans and so on) ahead of a planning application in December. However, that timeframe seems to have disappeared from the site now (unless I was looking for it in the wrong place).

In any event, if there's to be a public consultation starting within a month or so, that should be when we get official confirmation of what they're definitely planning to do.

 

[DiscoSteve]

For those wondering how the North and South Stands will he developed, remember that United took the roof off the Stretford End and their East Stand and added a new tier and roof, all during the season. Took about 9 months per stand to fully complete. Might be worth looking into how they did it all.

Fookin easy when you build it out of meccano

 

[flipmode]

In any event, if there's to be a public consultation starting within a month or so, that should be when we get official confirmation of what they're definitely planning to do.

Do we have suitable contingencies in place, for the traffic that will hit this thread when the inevitable is announced? lol

 

[Blue-Eyes]

Through work, I have a lot of contacts in the Construction Industry and meet the odd Architect from time to time.

I'm not sure if this has been covered in the previous 400+ pages but when chatting to a guy from BAM yesterday, he tells me that the club's owners have gone to great lengths to "get it right first time". To cut a long story short, our ground is a supersized athletics stadium and all athletics stadia are built to deflect crowd noise away from the central area (i.e. so the athletes can hear the gun go off and spectators can hear the tannoy announcements). The owners have carried out worldwide studies to increase the capacity in a way that will increase the atmosphere.

From what I can gather, The South Stand is going to have a large "Kop" style stand for Level 2 and 3. The Architects are going back to old school techniques but putting in as many pillars as possible without causing obstructed views, apparently, pillars create vibrations and noise.
They are also going to alter the angle of the roof around the whole ground to deflect the noise downwards, rather than up in order to capture more noise.

Apologies if you already knew this, I didn't fancy reading the whole thread to check.

 

[Jnr Kisby]

Thanks for that Blue-Eyes, very interesting. I cant see the pillars thing happening though, you will end up with restricted views whatever you do and for me it ruins it.

 

[petrusha]

Slightly off topic, but things moving over at the Salford City Stadium. In addition to the existing RL and RU usage, it was recently announced that United under-21s will play most of their games there. Salford, currently second bottom at the fag end of this campaign and attracting an average of 3K fans per match, are rebranding as the Salford Red Devils and have signed a load of expensive new players for next season. And - the reason for commenting in this thread given the topic of developing the area next to a sports stadium - they apparently announced at their press conference yesterday regarding the rebrand taht there are plans to build a waterpark, casino, hotel and hospitality facilities there, along with a training base for Salford RL. Can't find much online with any detail, but may be worth keeping an eye on for those of us interested in this type of thing. (Info and picture nicked from Skyscrapercity).

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1234645_294493854025533_593562465_n.jpg

 

[DiscoSteve]

From what I can gather, The South Stand is going to have a large "Kop" style stand for Level 2 and 3. The Architects are going back to old school techniques but putting in as many pillars as possible without causing obstructed views, apparently, pillars create vibrations and noise.
They are also going to alter the angle of the roof around the whole ground to deflect the noise downwards, rather than up in order to capture more noise.

Apologies if you already knew this, I didn't fancy reading the whole thread to check.

I think the 'kop' comment is not quite right - it will be only Level 3 that would form 'a kop style stand' - but that in itself will be deeper then the current East/West Level 3 and as deep as South Stand Levels 1 and 2 together

As for the roof slope - I would agree that the north/south roof will be canted towards the pitch as opposed the current formation where the roof slants upwards