EU referendum deal (title edited)

[purplenose]

I actually feel reasonably confident that the great unwashed will vote to Leave... those daily paragons of truth and virtue such as The Sun will help guide them along the way

I would love you to be right but when it comes to it the great British public I suspect will either be once again taken in by the Blairesque lies of our piggy porking prime minster or the king of cretiny Corbyn, both of whom will be desperate to stay in and will sink to great depths of fibbery in order that we remain in.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I wonder if perhaps you're not aware that both the BBC and Channel Four are subsidised by the EU?

The BBC for me is bland in political terms, no real agenda and no longer with the quality it used to have. frankly whoever finds it be it Thatcher or Blair or Cameron or Corbyn or EU it is ultimately funded by the tax payer and doesn't seem to change much whoever is funding it politically.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I would love you to be right but when it comes to it the great British public I suspect will either be once again taken in by the Blairesque lies of our piggy porking prime minster or the king of cretiny Corbyn, both of whom will be desperate to stay in and will sink to great depths of fibbery in order that we remain in.

I am sure that both sides will talk hysterical rot and convince you all about how you will get more healthy by smoking one brand of cigarettes over another . It will be the biggest exercise in arguing about where you put the deckchairs on the titanic in political history.

It will be sad to watch the realisation when one day the EU is exited that it solved precisely nothing , as one thing is clear however many yes votes there are the out voters will keep going as will the SNP on independence until they get their way. When the land of milk and honey doesn't materialise the psychological damage to the country will be immense.

If there was any serious plan on either side to actually talk about real issues I might hold out hope but so far the suggestion is of truly dreadful campaigning by both sides.

 

[purplenose]

I am sure that both sides will talk hysterical rot and convince you all about how you will get more healthy by smoking one brand of cigarettes over another . It will be the biggest exercise in arguing about where you put the deckchairs on the titanic in political history.

It will be sad to watch the realisation when one day the EU is exited that it solved precisely nothing , as one thing is clear however many yes votes there are the out voters will keep going as will the SNP on independence until they get their way. When the land of milk and honey doesn't materialise the psychological damage to the country will be immense.

If there was any serious plan on either side to actually talk about real issues I might hold out hope but so far the suggestion is of truly dreadful campaigning by both sides.

If Cameron pushes the vote back as far as he can, back end of 2017 I can see him shooting himself in the foot, in that time I can see the refugee issues only getting worse, i can see more terrorist attacks if not here but within the EU which will in turn cause more unrest and disaffection with the open borders policy. At that point if a "we have developed a brain get us out of here" vote looks on the cards watch out for dirty Dave finding a reason to postpone or go back on his promise of a vote. Failing that a second vote much like when the Irish dared vote against the Euro and were effectively told they would keep having votes until they voted yes to the bloody thing.

Either way like you say there will be much kicking off and gnashing of teeth followed by much worse when the whole union collapses as it will probably within 10 years.

 

[EalingBlue2]

If Cameron pushes the vote back as far as he can, back end of 2017 I can see him shooting himself in the foot, in that time I can see the refugee issues only getting worse, i can see more terrorist attacks if not here but within the EU which will in turn cause more unrest and disaffection with the open borders policy. At that point if a "we have developed a brain get us out of here" vote looks on the cards watch out for dirty Dave finding a reason to postpone or go back on his promise of a vote. Failing that a second vote much like when the Irish dared vote against the Euro and were effectively told they would keep having votes until they voted yes to the bloody thing.

Either way like you say there will be much kicking off and gnashing of teeth followed by much worse when the whole union collapses as it will probably within 10 years.

There will be much kicking and gnashing of teeth as whatever the outcome I suspect it isn't going to be great for Britain and huge problems will come with exit that may well dwarf those of being in. The reality as I said before this that the problem is the fact Britain has lung cancer and needs to give up smoking and get treatment not the brand of cigarettes it smokes.

 

[Scottyboi]

There will be much kicking and gnashing of teeth as whatever the outcome I suspect it isn't going to be great for Britain and huge problems will come with exit that may well dwarf those of being in. The reality as I said before this that the problem is the fact Britain has lung cancer and needs to give up smoking and get treatment not the brand of cigarettes it smokes.

You know as much as the next man what the damage could be. All guesswork.

 

[purplenose]

There will be much kicking and gnashing of teeth as whatever the outcome I suspect it isn't going to be great for Britain and huge problems will come with exit that may well dwarf those of being in. The reality as I said before this that the problem is the fact Britain has lung cancer and needs to give up smoking and get treatment not the brand of cigarettes it smokes.

Cant argue with that at all...other than to say WILL rather than may.

 

[purplenose]

You know as much as the next man what the damage could be. All guesswork.

Most things regarding the future are guess work to a degree, even as to whether you or I will wake up tommorrow, hopefully we will and indeed it is likely....its purely guesswork to suggest that it may piss down with rain on those making thier way to the Etihad at somepoint between now and when the Messiah Pep arrives to rid us of dark clouds and ensure that the east half of Manchester is bathed in indefinate celestial sunshine, but piss down it will.

 

[Sigh]

It's incredibly how many people who are inimical to immigration seem to miss this undeniable truth at the heart of the argument. There is no alternative.

Stop killing babies? Have more children? Stop contracepting yourselves into this mess? Stop lying to one another about the cause?

 

[EalingBlue2]

You know as much as the next man what the damage could be. All guesswork.

Strictly speaking that would be true of me jumping off a 100 foot cliff into the sea, personally I wouldn't do it though unless I was very clear about what the outcome would be and that benefits would flow.

I think the out campaign is very effective but is based on fundamental untruths and a misunderstanding or more likely deliberate misrepresentation of what the problems are. The yes campaign is a debacle and As they have no more interest in discussing or understanding the real issues they just hope it will go away and try to be flippant or use fear to win.

Both are very bad for Britain and such a level of discourse will ensure sadly a bad outcome either way. Unless that is call me, calls the EU's bluff and pulls off a significant improvement in the UK agreement with Europe.